I know there’s some interest in Dub around here.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dub,37601/
Ministry even merited a mention.
The whole “white people shouldn’t do dub” would have us miss out on Adrian Sherwood, which would be sad. Also Rhythm & Sound would be absent, and they’re some of the modern masters of dub.
I know there’s some interest in Dub around here.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dub,37601/
Ministry even merited a mention.
Ministry along with Franz Ferdinand were mentioned for making a shit version of Dub…as far as crappy Dub albums go Ministry DEFINATELY deserved to be mentioned.
The whole “white people shouldn’t do dub” would have us miss out on Adrian Sherwood
I don’t think that’s what he was saying though greeny…if it was it would be insane…I think he was suggesting the best place to start listening to Dub would not be honky folk from metal/rock bands who make half arsed versions (excuse the pun) of Dub…it was a rather strange closing comment for him to throw in there though… however I do agree that if you’re going to start listening to Dub…don’t start with Ministry’s Rio Grande Dub…start with something from Tubby, Pablo, Joe Gibbs or Lee Perry.
Here is the comment again…
Where not to start: Not to get all racial or anything—this is Obama’s America, after all—but as a rule, white people, and especially white people in the United States, are about as good at dub as they are at reggae. For some reason, probably having to do with the non-sacramental consumption of cannabis sativa, hundreds of American rock bands—most especially hard-rock and heavy-metal bands—have decided that they’ll bust out a cut-rate sound system and create half-assed dub mixes of their own songs, which generally aren’t that great to begin with. Franz Ferdinand, Ministry, and Gov’t Mule have all been guilty of this in recent years, and depressingly, their awful efforts aren’t even the worst ones out there. Generally speaking, dub should be a full-time occupation, and these dub dabblers should be avoided like those Frisbee-slinging stoners on the quad who are way too into Bob Marley.
Bill Laswell is a white man from the USA and is a Dub Jedi Knight…then again Dub is basically a full-time obsession for him so he wouldn’t come under the category that the writer mentions.
Then you have numerous other honky Dub Jedi Knights around the globe such as Adrian Sherwood, Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus as green death pointed out…but like I said…I took what he said to mean… start listening to Dub from the folk that created it…then move on to the current masters…some of whom are honky![cool]
[reply]I know there’s some interest in Dub around here.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/dub,37601/
Ministry even merited a mention.
Ministry along with Franz Ferdinand were mentioned for making a shit version of Dub…as far as crappy Dub albums go Ministry DEFINATELY deserved to be mentioned.[/reply]
I don’t think the Ministry records were ever actually intended to be “dub.” They just wanted to use a pun and to draw silly dreadlocks on GWB.
KMFDM used to describe their remixes as “dub” even though they weren’t 15 years or more ago.
I don’t think the Ministry records were ever actually intended to be “dub.” They just wanted to use a pun and to draw silly dreadlocks on GWB.
KMFDM used to describe their remixes as “dub” even though they weren’t 15 years or more ago.
The Ministry record was indeed meant to be a Dub…it was remixes of their original tunes with the drums and bass up front in the mix. Obviously it was absolute crap due to Al being no Adrian Sherwood. Let’s say Ministry didn’t intend for it to be a Dub record…it was still utter pish.
I actually remember posting a thread on the PA stating that Ministry should make a Dub album using the rhythms from some Filth Pig & DSOTS songs…MrsJ replied saying wjat a great idea that would be…a year or two later we got the terrible Rio Grande Dub.
As for KMFDM… their best album Don’t Blow Your Top was produced with Adrian Sherwood. The song “Tod Durch Bongo-Bongo” was a great Dub. Their next album Uaioe was good too…Sherwood’s influence obviously carried over into that album…a couple of albums later however they became ultra-lame for the most part.
[reply]I don’t think the Ministry records were ever actually intended to be “dub.” They just wanted to use a pun and to draw silly dreadlocks on GWB.
KMFDM used to describe their remixes as “dub” even though they weren’t 15 years or more ago.
The Ministry record was indeed meant to be a Dub…it was remixes of their original tunes with the drums and bass up front in the mix. Obviously it was absolute crap due to Al being no Adrian Sherwood. Let’s say Ministry didn’t intend for it to be a Dub record…it was still utter pish.
I actually remember posting a thread on the PA stating that Ministry should make a Dub album using the rhythms from some Filth Pig & DSOTS songs…MrsJ replied saying wjat a great idea that would be…a year or two later we got the terrible Rio Grande Dub.
As for KMFDM… their best album Don’t Blow Your Top was produced with Adrian Sherwood. The song “Tod Durch Bongo-Bongo” was a great Dub. Their next album Uaioe was good too…Sherwood’s influence obviously carried over into that album…a couple of albums later however they became ultra-lame for the most part.[/reply]
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Al didn’t do the mixes on either Rio Grande Dub-ya or The Last Dubber. And they’re obviously industrial/rock style remixes and not dub in any way shape or form. Whether you like them or not is immaterial (I think they’re OK but tedious).
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With KMFDM I was referring mainly to the Light single, in which every mix was labelled “dub” no matter what it sounded like. I’m aware of the genuinely dubby nature of their early work.
- Al didn’t do the mixes on either Rio Grande Dub-ya or The Last Dubber.
That’s right…I forgot Al didn’t remix those crappy things. He did however sanction them so he doesn’t get off that easily.
They should have been called…
Rio Grande Banal
and…
The Last (hopefully) Mediocre Ministry Remix Album
Dub is great music…attaching it to those two sonic poops was an insult. If as you say it wasn’t an attempt at Dub music…why on earth title it as such?
Yeah, its no Cold Life [Dub]
Yeah, its no Cold Life [Dub]
Although Cold Life Dub was skinny ass honky funk…it at least had some cool echo.