Early Ministry Tracks

bisquitodoom · January 8, 2014, 8:36pm

Working on something. I tried putting together a list of all the different versions of early songs in a roughly chronological order, split by officially released and unreleased. Ministry-only for this list. No Revco, Blackouts, Carmichaels, etc.

Any of the other old-school fans mind looking over this for anything I missed?

Here’s a list of the songs that saw official release in roughly chronological order:, with their primary release [in brackets]:

1981

I’m Falling (Alternate Mix) [Early Trax]
Overkill [Early Trax]
Cold Life [Cold Life 12”]
I’m Falling [Cold Life 12”]
Primental [Cold Life 12”]
Cold Life Dub [Cold Life 12”]
Cold Life [7” mix from Cold Life 7”] – really just an edit
Cold Life [12” mix from Twelve Inch Singles] – Just like the version that was on the original 12” single, but it doesn’t repeat the last verse making it shorter

1982

1983
Effigy [With Sympathy]
Revenge [With Sympathy]
I Wanted To Tell Her [With Sympathy]
Work For Love [With Sympathy]
Here We Go [With Sympathy]
What He Say [With Sympathy]
Say You’re Sorry [With Sympathy]
Should Have Known Better [With Sympathy]
She’s Got A Cause [With Sympathy]
I Wanted To Tell Her (12” Mix) [I Wanted To Tell Her US 12”]
I Wanted To Tell Her (Tongue Tied Mix) [I Wanted To Tell Her US 12”]
A Walk In The Park [I Wanted To Tell Her US 12”]
I Wanted To Tell Her (7” Mix) [I Wanted To Tell her US 7”]
I Wanted To Tell her (7” Mix 2) [I Wanted To Tell Her UK 7"]
Work For Love (12” Mix) [Work For Love US 12”]
Work For Love (Short) [Work For Love US 12”]
Work For Love (Dub) [Work For Love US 12”]
Work For Love (12” version 2) [Work For Love UK 12”]
For Love (12” Mix) [Work For Love UK 12”]
Work For Love (7”Mix) [Work For Love UK 7”]
For Love (7” Mix) [Work For Love UK 7”]
Effigy (Hot Tracks Remix) [Hot Track Remix Service 12”]
I Wanted To Tell Her (Cold Tracks Mix) [Art Of Mix Remix Service 12"]
Work For Love (Hot Tracks Remix) [Hot Track Remix Service 12”]
Revenge (Remix) [With Sympathy 2012 rerelease]

1984
All Day [All Day 12”]
Every Day Is Halloween [All Day 12”]
He’s Angry [Early Trax]
Move [Early Trax]
All Day (Remix B) [Twelve Inch Singles]
All Day (Remix) [Twitch] – really a combination of the 12” version and Remix B that Sire asked be included on Twitch

1985
Nature Of Love [Nature Of Love 12”]
Nature Of Love (Curuelty Mix) [Nature Of Love 12”]
Nature Of Love (Curuelty Mix B) [Twelve Inch Singles] – Same as Cruelty Mix but with an extended intro
Halloween Remix [Halloween 12”]
Nature Of Outtakes [Halloween 12”]
Halloween (Hot Tracks Remix) [Hot Tracks Remix Service 12"]

And here’s what’s known to exist that never saw official release:

1981
First True Love Affair****

1982
Funkametal***
Knowledge***
Le Stupide***
Dancing Alone***
The Urge To Run Away***
Same Old Madness [Video version]
Never Asked For Nothing [slated for the Same Old Madness 12”]***
Love Change***
What Is The Reason***
America***

1983
Same Old Madness [More polished demo version]
I Wanted To Tell Her [several demo versions exist]
Work For Love [several demo versions exist]
She’s Got A Cause [2 demo versions exist]
Revenge [several demo versions exist]
So-So Life***

1984
Let’s Be Happy [demo]****
The Game Is Over [demo]****
Same Old Scene (Roxy Music Cover) [The last demo that got them dropped from Arista]****
Oceanside Away****
Halloween Version 1 [demo with different lyrics]
Halloween Version 2 [demo with different lyrics]
Wait [Demo]
Hizbollah [demo of the song on Land Of Rape And Honey used as a live intro]***
Do You Really Like It***
I’ll Do Anything For You***
Ricky’s Hand (Fad Gadget Cover)***

1985
I See Red ***

*** - has only surfaced as a live recording, but a studio version could exist

****- Supposedly exists but hasn’t surfaced in any version

realmdemagic · January 9, 2014, 5:38pm

I went over the list and I think this covers everything.

The “Oceanside Away” track may also be Ocean Drive and/or The Harmonica Song (mentioned in the prongs interviews with Patty J. and Doug Chamberlin)

Doug mentioned 5 or 6 other songs that went unreleased, but those may include some of the 1984 cuts that have already surfaced.

I was unaware that the 12" mix of Work For Love differs on the UK single, I’m going to give that a spin this evening.

The With Sympathy demos get to be confusing at times as many of them sound like the final album versions with only a minor difference. Revenge, I Wanted To Tell Her and She’s Got A Cause all have a demo with something strikingly different about it, but that’s all that I recall.

bisquitodoom · January 9, 2014, 8:01pm

Work For Love is only different on one of the UK 12" versions. It’s this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINISTRY-Work-For-Love-UK-12-single-PS-1983-ex-ex-/360739474884?pt=UK_Records&hash=item53fdbf8dc4

realmdemagic · January 9, 2014, 8:11pm

I actually don’t have that exact one. I have the test pressing (same cat# but has a white cover with a blue Ministry sticker on it) so it should be the same mix.

I also have the release from Spain that has the same cover and track list.

I’ll compare these tonight and see how they differ.

Those 7" mixes are definitely cool. I remember throwing those on the turntable for the first time and being totally surprised.

bisquitodoom · January 10, 2014, 8:36pm

So where did all the other old Ministry fans go? Did everyone vacate?

rev_skarekroe · January 10, 2014, 8:43pm

I just think we don’t have anything to add. Looks like you covered it all.

realmdemagic · January 10, 2014, 9:03pm

Bisquit,

I went through my WFL 12"s and all of them had the same extended mix. Looks like I need to pick up a copy of the standard UK 12" as well.

Good job on the list!

Revco · January 10, 2014, 9:25pm

I just think we don’t have anything to add. Looks like you covered it all.

Ditto.

dicecrusher · January 11, 2014, 11:56pm

Looks good to me. Thanks for summarizing!

gothic_hobbit · January 12, 2014, 12:31pm

The version of “nature of love” that was released is a remix according to the liner notes of the twelve inch singles CD.

Which leads me to think that there is a version that wasn’t released, which matched the sound of the live version more.

innerturmoil · January 13, 2014, 11:38pm

Hardman. a 1983 live version exists.

the_green_death · January 14, 2014, 11:37am

So Al has now sold all the Wax Trax! material to Cleopatra, so ready your ears for tons of mediocre remixes!

Akbar_The_Great · January 14, 2014, 11:56am

If you’re not sure of the list discogs should have you covered.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/12209-Ministry

bisquitodoom · January 14, 2014, 1:39pm

Hardman. a 1983 live version exists.

Which show? I’m all ears on this one.

realmdemagic · January 14, 2014, 5:20pm

So Al has now sold all the Wax Trax! material to Cleopatra, so ready your ears for tons of mediocre remixes!

Wow! You’re right. Hopefully some of these gems make it to an official release. At the very least I’m hoping they have plans to release Primental and Same Old Madness on CD.

realmdemagic · January 22, 2014, 11:59am

Work For Love is only different on one of the UK 12" versions. It’s this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINISTRY-Work-For-Love-UK-12-single-PS-1983-ex-ex-/360739474884?pt=UK_Records&hash=item53fdbf8dc4

Just got this one in the mail and the 12" mix is the same as all the other WFL 12"s I have (I have around 7 different ones)

Bisquit, do you know what is different about this particular mix?

wempathy · January 22, 2014, 2:39pm

Hardman. a 1983 live version exists.

It does? I recall writing that in Al’s coach house apartment with Franke, and Al, during the summer of '83…but I don’t remember ever playing it out live.

It’s the only unrecorded/unplayed song that I remember fairly well. Could it have been '84? I’d left by then so that’s maybe why I don’t recall.

bisquitodoom · January 22, 2014, 8:33pm

Just got this one in the mail and the 12" mix is the same as all the other WFL 12"s I have (I have around 7 different ones)

Bisquit, do you know what is different about this particular mix?

Sorry, didn’t mean to make you go out and buy the wrong 12". I actually just pulled out the vinyl rips I did ages ago. The US 12" version is 6:19. The UK one is 3:52 and is actually the same as Work For Love Short. So yeah, it’s not really a separate mix. Sorry about that. How could I ever lose track of all the distinctive remixes of that song

It does have the most awesome exchange during the bridge though - “I said girl I’ve been trying for you for so long, why do you keep rejecting me? - you don’t have what it takes. - But I’m willing to woooork!” The only one I like better is the 7" mix where he calls her “love”.

realmdemagic · January 22, 2014, 8:51pm

[reply]Just got this one in the mail and the 12" mix is the same as all the other WFL 12"s I have (I have around 7 different ones)

Bisquit, do you know what is different about this particular mix?

Sorry, didn’t mean to make you go out and buy the wrong 12". I actually just pulled out the vinyl rips I did ages ago. The US 12" version is 6:19. The UK one is 3:52 and is actually the same as Work For Love Short. So yeah, it’s not really a separate mix. Sorry about that. How could I ever lose track of all the distinctive remixes of that song

It does have the most awesome exchange during the bridge though - “I said girl I’ve been trying for you for so long, why do you keep rejecting me? - you don’t have what it takes. - But I’m willing to woooork!” The only one I like better is the 7" mix where he calls her “love”.[/reply]

No worries…I actually got the 12" pretty cheap and I didn’t have it in the collection already. The discogs page also said it was a different mix. The UK 7" does have the different Short Mix with the same artwork, so I can see where the confusion is.