Dorner On The Loose

Jesus, you’re ranting like you’re about to kill someone!

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The LAPD may be racists, so why is it that someone (lets say Dorner) who was dismissed from their job because they were holding up those ideals that come with being a cop should not be a cop?

First off, as we both noted, he may or may not have been dismissed for “holding up ideals”, as you say. We said that whether or not this claim holds water is irrellevant at this point because HE’S A SOCIOPATHIC SCUMBAG MURDERING DICKHEAD.
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What are you yelling for? nobody is disagreeing with you, at least that I’ve read. Well I do disagree about the sociopath part, I read a book one time and it was about sociopaths, so I’m pretty much an expert on the subject. but “murderous dick head” is pretty accurate.

We said it is this reason, and that he feels justified in his actions, that he was unfit to be a cop or serve in the military. Are you really not grasping this?

HA HA HA HA! You think people who kill shouldn’t be in the military? What do you think they do in the military? seems to me he was good at his job, and the LAPD is known for their “shootings” so again it would seem he would fit right in, although he was the wrong color.

The guy has some sort of God complex and feels vindicated in killing people because he got butthurt . . . this is NOT a guy that should have a position of power, especially a position of power with the power to kill.

He had no position of power, otherwise he wouldn’t have lost his job. I’d say what happened to him was a little more than “butthurt” but were splitting pubes!

[reply]He’s no whistle blower you say, I disagree, In a environment where there may be real evidence of racism excessive force and all of the other corruption, he was dismissed for reporting such corruption…How come he wasn’t moved?

We never said he was not a whistleblower (he may have been).
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from Davely’s post…

He’s no whistleblower,

We said he is now not a hero and that actions, even if they were right and just at the time, can now (by a reasonable thinker) be viewed with skepticism.

Who says he’s a hero?

Why are you so quick to assume that this guy’s story is completely legit? Because he believed it enough to be a rampaging murderous dickhead? Generally murderers don’t make for the best character witnesses.

Who said I believe his story is legit? although a fellow that made it to the navy and passed a psych test to be on a police force doesn’t generally really scream “crazy.” but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

What I believe Davely might have been insinuating and I was too, is that in light of the last two week’s activity, a RATIONAL thinker might speculate that there was more to his dismissal than just a bunch of crooked cops covering their own asses. Maybe there wasn’t. It’s still irrellevant to him being an overall piece of rotten shit.

So this guy lives 33 years and his whole character is summed up in 2 weeks? are those 2 weeks the norm of how he lived his life? I doubt it since he made it to 33.

What I believe Davely might have been insinuating and I was too, is that in light of the last two week’s activity, a RATIONAL thinker might speculate that there was more to his dismissal than just a bunch of crooked cops covering their own asses. Maybe there wasn’t. It’s still irrellevant to him being an overall piece of rotten shit.

Is anybody protesting this?

Furthermore, I am also saying that when a prick decides to write a bumbling manifesto and go vigilante and kill and injure a bunch of people he sort of forfeits his right to pass moral judgment on others.

but he should max out his credit cards creating billboards and taking out newspaper ads… genius! seems the internet is more cost effective and therefore more responsible.

Again, we do not know the full case, and neither do you. All I know is the guy is a murdering douchebag and I don’t want that type of person roaming my streets with a badge and a gun.

ok.

And priests have NOTHING to do with this . . . unless they are molesting boys to protest their supposed unjust dismissal in which case, please expand . . .

My point was/is priests fuck kids and don’t get fired. This guy reported a crime and was fired… why?

[reply]How do you go about exposing such corruption? (this is no way an endorsement of him killing people.) What is one to do when the system is so corrupt it cannot possibly be changed through peaceful means?

Are you kidding me? Did you really just write this? All of your black and white talk last year about conservatives being for violence and liberals being for peace really falls flat when I read such a ridiculous question.
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Was I claiming he was a liberal? Did I say Violence is NEVER justified? I’m pretty liberal but I would have personally exacted violence on Hitler.

What you are asking implies a level of ignorance and sense of victimhood that makes me ill.

like vomit ill or shit squirts?

There’s lots of ways to go about it, but if I had decided that I was so fed up with everything that I didn’t want to live and only cared about “exposing the truth” I would cash out every assett I had and also take out extensive loans. Start buying media. Billboards, radio ads, print ads. Get a website, inform the Anonymous dudes. Just promote the heck out of this crap. Trust me, if he wanted to be heard he could be heard.

Internet is cheaper, and you’re not stealing from people when you can’t repay your loans.

Just because people like him and you can’t figure out how to do stuff doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

agreed, but desperation doesn’t always lead to logic. not saying it’s right, just saying.

Who is the sociopath when the LAPD has done this stuff in the past with barely any ramifications (certainly not as harsh as what was leveled at dorner) and one guy tries to get rid of the people who have made a career out of doing to others what he did to them?

Again, corruption of the LAPD or any institution should not be a factor in determining the level of guilt of a person who commits attrocity.

based on this you are calling all of the world war II vets murderers because the corruption of the nazi’s is no way to level guilt.

Why do people keep talking about Dorner like he was some bullied child?

brecause that’s all we know of him.

For crying out loud, he was a grown man, and a huge 300lb dude.

3000 lb. men can’t be bullied?

Cops and servicemen shouldn’t throw tantrums that cost millions of dollars and many lives.

ok. LAPD shouldn’t discriminate. my boss who makes 90 gs a year shouldn’t have the least amount of experience or education than the people he “leads.” there is a lot of shit that shouldn’t be.

And yet, that is how he acted, isn’t it? Like a little scared pussy ass BITCH.

I wouldn’t say scared but then again how do bullied people act?

SCREW DORNER AND SCREW EVERYONE THAT DOESN’T HAVE THE MORAL FIBER TO CONDEMN HIM FOR THE COWARDLY MURDEROUS PRICK HE IS!!!

I am right and anyone that disagrees with me is wrong.

well I had something before that last line!
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I think one of the reasons, perhaps, that some people had empathy and/or an emotional connection with this dude is his photos. Here we got this 300lb rampaging brothaman declaring war on people and runnin’ around shooting peeps and burning cars and tying up hostages . . . And yet, in all the photos shown on the news, highway warnings, newspapers, etc, he looks like ReRun from “What’s Happenin” or Cory from “That’s So Raven”. He looks so fun and happy and harmless in all his photos. I wonder if the LAPD communications guys were just frustrated as heck. “Seriously? This is all we got? No shots of him scowling, looking menacing, or at least peeking through the scope of a sniper rifle?!!”

Ah, grmpysmrf! You know you’re my homey, right? But I am sorry, you lose. Rules of the internet, you brought up Nazis first, automatic disqualification. Sorry, playboy.

I think one of the reasons, perhaps, that some people had empathy and/or an emotional connection with this dude is his photos.

Well I definitely think your on to something with the photos, cause I completely agree that if they had some angry pictures those pics would’ve been splashed all over the teevee and those smiley “he looks like a big old teddy bear” pics would’ve never seen the light of day.

The other reason I think people were able to connect or empathise is because we all know how infuriating it can be to be wronged by an employer. People want it to be true so it could vindicate their own personal fucked up work situation. Finally someone got so fed up they did something about it. "YaY, that guy understands me. I understand that guy. I will resolve my anger at my own situation vicariousely through him.
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grmpysmrf

I don’t know if anyone else will recall this, but back when the OJ case first started rolling, either TIME or Newsweek (I can’t remember which) caught heat for doctoring up one of OJ’s photos (might have been a mugshot) to play on racial fears. They had darkened it up a bit and made it more sinister looking for their cover page. They just claimed artistic license or something, but others screamed racism. I’ll try to find the photos.

And with regards to the allegedly racist LAPD, I just want to note that LESS than half of their force is white.

I don’t know if anyone else will recall this, but back when the OJ case first started rolling, either TIME or Newsweek (I can’t remember which) caught heat for doctoring up one of OJ’s photos (might have been a mugshot) to play on racial fears. They had darkened it up a bit and made it more sinister looking for their cover page. They just claimed artistic license or something, but others screamed racism. I’ll try to find the photos.

How funny, I was thinking about this the other day. It was Time that did that.
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grmpysmrf

And with regards to the allegedly racist LAPD, I just want to note that LESS than half of their force is white.

Only white people are racist?
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grmpysmrf

[reply]And with regards to the allegedly racist LAPD, I just want to note that LESS than half of their force is white.

Only white people are racist?
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No. I just wanted to point out the demographics in case any people are envisioning a few blacks surrounded by a buttload of honkies. It’s simply not like that.

A quick image search reminded me of the situation. Newsweek and TIME used the same photo, but TIME pimped it out a little to make it darker and scarier.

Here’s the two side-by-side: