Dorner On The Loose

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Yes, the police force is and always has been corrupt. It should be and will be investigated accordingly and we all, as citizens, hope that changes are implemented and things improve.

It is retarded to just immediately jump to the defense of this asshole, though. Yes, my hunch is that there is likely at least SOME (or possibly MUCH) basis to his original claims of being wronged. But we don’t know the whole story, or any of it, for that matter.

All we have is the “manifesto” of an out-of-control murderous dickhead. If that’s the type of person someone wants to immediately jump to the defense of, so be it.

Regardless of whether this guy’s original claims of unfair treatment (something he’s apparently stewed on for 4 years now) are valid or not, he is NOT RAMBO and he is NOT a folk hero or admirable person by any stretch of the imagination.

He put MANY people in harm’s way. He caused damage and pain to MANY people. And he’s cost the city, state, and country many millions of dollars, resources, and time.

He’s a piece of crap. And for all his written bravado, I think it’s fitting that he died like the cowardly bitch he was (it’ll be pieced together later, but it appears that he shot himself).

Screw that guy.

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LAPD are notorious for racism and excessive force. Rodney King?

Let’s get something straight, here. Cops nationwide do a lot of fucked up shit behind the scenes and get away with it…but that Rodney King beating was slightly exaggerated bullshit.
He was a former thief on probation who was driving under the influence of several drugs, going WAY past the posted speed limits in RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS in Los Angeles before the cops beat the shit out of him for failing to comply. If cops pull you over and order you around, do what the fuck they tell you or they will think you’re hostile.

The video that was circulating around by a neighbor showed a lot of the actions on King’s part, like failing to get out of the vehicle when asked over and over, and of course not kneeling or putting his hands up when asked…of course when news outlets got it they selectively cut out said actions and only played the “good stuff” - the cops beating the shit out of him over and over.

That being said, I agree the force was excessive to a degree, but some of it was definitely needed. He was being a dickhead in general. Don’t you wonder why the cops were acquitted? The jury DID have the watch the entire tape to make a case. The same shit happened with that “white hispanic” who shot that “innocent black teen” in Florida around a year ago, total witch hunt. Some of us love to selectively forget how the media can really taint our opinions on things.

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I’m 50/50 on Dorner’s story, btw. I think it’s very possible he was weeded out in the LAPD due to incompetence, and that his distrust of authority behind the scenes can turn a man to do bad things. And yes, he’s a piece of shit.

The LAPD really fucked up on trying to capture him. So many vehicles got shot up by those numb-skulls.

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Taylor Swift Mourns Death Of Boyfriend Christopher Dorner…
http://www.theonion.com/articles/taylor-swift-mourns-death-of-boyfriend-christopher,31287/

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Yeah, i definitely agree that he’s no hero, but the LAPD is full of rotten apples who should be investigated, hopefully they’ll be looked into after all the attention this fucked-up story has garnered. Has a body been found yet? I haven’t heard anything since this afternoon.

Anyone who shoots innocent people like he did is no Robin Hood. I’m sure he could have used legal means to get back at them rather than go shooting people unconnected to his gripe against the force.

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When I mentioned King, I was mostly referring to how notorious they are media wise. I lived in California at the time. Wasn’t a good time to be there when those cops got off. Granted, there’s cops nationwide who go too far. But LAPD are easily the most talked about.

And, considering their previous track record, I’m kinda siding with Dorner, even though to don’t support his actions. Another cop came out and sided with him as well. Said he was telling.the truth. But, again, the violence was too much.

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When I mentioned King, I was mostly referring to how notorious they are media wise. I lived in California at the time. Wasn’t a good time to be there when those cops got off. Granted, there’s cops nationwide who go too far. But LAPD are easily the most talked about.

And, considering their previous track record, I’m kinda siding with Dorner, even though to don’t support his actions. Another cop came out and sided with him as well. Said he was telling.the truth. But, again, the violence was too much.

^ This is pretty much where I’m at. As far as rodney goes, being a dick doesn’t constitute getting your ass beat so bad you’re caused brain damage. Unless those cops’ lives were in danger due to Rodney (which they were not) nothing constitutes that kind of beating.
As far as dorner is concerned I’m not saying what he did was right… but I understand.

and as far as dorner’s train of thought goes he didn’t kill anybody that was innocent, in his mind… all cops were part of the problem and the captain’s daughter was an extension of that “corrupt” captain.

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grmpysmrf

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and as far as dorner’s train of thought goes he didn’t kill anybody that was innocent, in his mind… all cops were part of the problem and the captain’s daughter was an extension of that “corrupt” captain.

Yeah, most murderers can justify their killings.

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[reply]
and as far as dorner’s train of thought goes he didn’t kill anybody that was innocent, in his mind… all cops were part of the problem and the captain’s daughter was an extension of that “corrupt” captain.

Yeah, most murderers can justify their killings.[/reply]
I would think most murderers don’t care.
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grmpysmrf

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I don’t know what murderers think really. I’m just saying that they’ve obviously already reasoned out their decisions to take someone else’s life. So whether it’s something as simple as their feeling that their own selfish desires trump the rights of someone else to live or they have a more elaborate rationalization (told by God, waging a personal war, need to fuel a strange addiction, etc.) you can’t really use a murderer’s own skewed sense of right and wrong to measure his or her level of actual moral or legal responsibility or guilt.

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Good night, sweet prince

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Doesn’t he kind of look like Keith from Six Feet Under.

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you can’t really use a murderer’s own skewed sense of right and wrong to measure his or her level of actual moral or legal responsibility or guilt.

I agree. I was just pointing out that in this dudes mind the dead people are not innocent. The fact that he didn’t kill any of the civilians that he encountered (and I mean civilians as in not directly connected to the LAPD or law enforcement in general) pretty much shows his mentality with vigilante justice.
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grmpysmrf

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^
True. And the fact that he can operate on that level is proof that:
1. He was no better than the supposedly corrupt cops that he was fighting against.
2. He was no better than the criminals and terrorists that he was originally tasked to protect us from, and from whom he (and some of the public) thought he was separate from.
3. He had no business having authority as a police officer or serving in the Navy. So, despite the unknown details and circumstances behind his dismissal, he was unfit for public service regardless.

Yeah. What a guy.

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So, despite the unknown details and circumstances behind his dismissal, he was unfit for public service regardless.

This, this, THIS!

I am really disappointed in all the people who are all like, yeah the LAPD are racist! BOO LAPD! because of this shitbag. You know what, maybe they are, but given his actions after dismissal, it is clear to me that they were absolutely correct in their decision to remove him from his position, and it is doubtful he should have ever been in that position to start with. He’s no whistleblower, he’s a fucking sociopath. Good fucking riddance.

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the way i look at is,
you fuck with someone long enough,
they might just snap and start wounding you in unforgivable ways.
thats how things go.
next time you fuck with someone, realize you could be that very straw that breaks the camel’s back.

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the way i look at is,
you fuck with someone long enough,
they might just snap and start wounding you in unforgivable ways.
thats how things go.
next time you fuck with someone, realize you could be that very straw that breaks the camel’s back.

^ this is what it boils down to.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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[reply]So, despite the unknown details and circumstances behind his dismissal, he was unfit for public service regardless.

This, this, THIS!

I am really disappointed in all the people who are all like, yeah the LAPD are racist! BOO LAPD! because of this shitbag. You know what, maybe they are, but given his actions after dismissal, it is clear to me that they were absolutely correct in their decision to remove him from his position, and it is doubtful he should have ever been in that position to start with. He’s no whistleblower, he’s a fucking sociopath. Good fucking riddance.[/reply]
I don’t know anybody that is ra ra ra dorner. and people don’t think the LAPD are racist because of this guy. People frown on the LAPD because of the history they have with treating people. there’s a reason they are called “the gang in blue”

Now we’re into a sweet debate in ethics!

The LAPD may be racists, so why is it that someone (lets say Dorner) who was dismissed from their job because they were holding up those ideals that come with being a cop should not be a cop? He’s no whistle blower you say, I disagree, In a environment where there may be real evidence of racism excessive force and all of the other corruption, he was dismissed for reporting such corruption…How come he wasn’t moved? (hell, priests fuck kids and they’re just moved to different towns) How come he was fired rather than moved… He reported a potential crime. and the evidence was conflicting at best so why so harsh a punishment?

How do you go about exposing such corruption? (this is no way an endorsement of him killing people.) What is one to do when the system is so corrupt it cannot possibly be changed through peaceful means?

Who is the sociopath when the LAPD has done this stuff in the past with barely any ramifications (certainly not as harsh as what was leveled at dorner) and one guy tries to get rid of the people who have made a career out of doing to others what he did to them?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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The LAPD may be racists, so why is it that someone (lets say Dorner) who was dismissed from their job because they were holding up those ideals that come with being a cop should not be a cop?

First off, as we both noted, he may or may not have been dismissed for “holding up ideals”, as you say. We said that whether or not this claim holds water is irrellevant at this point because HE’S A SOCIOPATHIC SCUMBAG MURDERING DICKHEAD.

We said it is this reason, and that he feels justified in his actions, that he was unfit to be a cop or serve in the military. Are you really not grasping this? The guy has some sort of God complex and feels vindicated in killing people because he got butthurt . . . this is NOT a guy that should have a position of power, especially a position of power with the power to kill.

He’s no whistle blower you say, I disagree, In a environment where there may be real evidence of racism excessive force and all of the other corruption, he was dismissed for reporting such corruption…How come he wasn’t moved?

We never said he was not a whistleblower (he may have been). We said he is now not a hero and that actions, even if they were right and just at the time, can now (by a reasonable thinker) be viewed with skepticism.

Why are you so quick to assume that this guy’s story is completely legit? Because he believed it enough to be a rampaging murderous dickhead? Generally murderers don’t make for the best character witnesses.

What I believe Davely might have been insinuating and I was too, is that in light of the last two week’s activity, a RATIONAL thinker might speculate that there was more to his dismissal than just a bunch of crooked cops covering their own asses. Maybe there wasn’t. It’s still irrellevant to him being an overall piece of rotten shit.

Furthermore, I am also saying that when a prick decides to write a bumbling manifesto and go vigilante and kill and injure a bunch of people he sort of forfeits his right to pass moral judgment on others.

(hell, priests fuck kids and they’re just moved to different towns) How come he was fired rather than moved… He reported a potential crime. and the evidence was conflicting at best so why so harsh a punishment?

Again, we do not know the full case, and neither do you. All I know is the guy is a murdering douchebag and I don’t want that type of person roaming my streets with a badge and a gun.

And priests have NOTHING to do with this . . . unless they are molesting boys to protest their supposed unjust dismissal in which case, please expand . . .

How do you go about exposing such corruption? (this is no way an endorsement of him killing people.) What is one to do when the system is so corrupt it cannot possibly be changed through peaceful means?

Are you kidding me? Did you really just write this? All of your black and white talk last year about conservatives being for violence and liberals being for peace really falls flat when I read such a ridiculous question.

What you are asking implies a level of ignorance and sense of victimhood that makes me ill.

There’s lots of ways to go about it, but if I had decided that I was so fed up with everything that I didn’t want to live and only cared about “exposing the truth” I would cash out every assett I had and also take out extensive loans. Start buying media. Billboards, radio ads, print ads. Get a website, inform the Anonymous dudes. Just promote the heck out of this crap. Trust me, if he wanted to be heard he could be heard.

Just because people like him and you can’t figure out how to do stuff doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

Who is the sociopath when the LAPD has done this stuff in the past with barely any ramifications (certainly not as harsh as what was leveled at dorner) and one guy tries to get rid of the people who have made a career out of doing to others what he did to them?

Again, corruption of the LAPD or any institution should not be a factor in determining the level of guilt of a person who commits attrocity.

Why do people keep talking about Dorner like he was some bullied child? For crying out loud, he was a grown man, and a huge 300lb dude. Cops and servicemen shouldn’t throw tantrums that cost millions of dollars and many lives.

And yet, that is how he acted, isn’t it? Like a little scared pussy ass BITCH.

SCREW DORNER AND SCREW EVERYONE THAT DOESN’T HAVE THE MORAL FIBER TO CONDEMN HIM FOR THE COWARDLY MURDEROUS PRICK HE IS!!!

I am right and anyone that disagrees with me is wrong.

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Boom.