Do You Want To Kill Someone?

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We all have that desire in us somewhere, even if most are too pussified to admit it.

I’ve thought about killing a homeless person randomly, because it would be easier to get away with and it’s easy to feel contempt towards them.

I wouldn’t do it with my full wits about me–my moral code would deny the impulse.

However in an intoxicated state I have nearly committed murder before and probably could do it in the future if the right elements were in place.

It’s something I worry about at times, not from a moral standpoint necessarily but because I don’t want to go to jail.

If you’re not just saying this for “shock” value I suggest you start a sober life immediately.
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grmpysmrf

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So what makes Mumia’s “conviction” legit and not worthy of your concern when a ton of other evidence says contrary.

From what I’ve read, I do not see enough so-called “evidence” to warrant me worrying about it. I didn’t say I “know” he did it, but he was, from what I can tell, “legitimately” tried and convicted. Does that mean that no one ever gets wrongly tried and convicted of stuff? Certainly not.

I’m not involved in the case. He’s not my brother, my husband, my neighbor. I don’t know the guy. And I don’t work in the justice system. It’s not my place to worry about this guy. There are plenty, obviously, who feel different and are fretting away and doing what they can to try and fight this as well.

Now, if you truly think he’s an innocent man who is falsely rotting away in prison, why don’t YOU do something about it other than argue with people on the internet who don’t give a crap about the case and whose opinion on the matter have absolutely no relevance or bearing?

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I didnt say I was taking up his cause. But I do pay attention to it cause that could be any one of us.

I just agree about his musings between the court of law and a court of justice, the latter no longer existing or perhaps maybe never did.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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I tend to be very fact and data driven.

anybody that’s been here for any length of time and seen you and me spar knows this is just not true.

I go where the data tells me to. So, I checked the data.

And you got this data where? checked it, cross checked, with other similar reported stats? made sure none of the data was skewed?

There were a total of 14,916 murders in the U.S. This includes justifiable homicide, self defense, and police action.

in a country of more than 300 million, less than 15,000 were murdered in 1 year? Bullshit.

10,129 committed by firearm of any type. Of those 453 were by rifle, including so called assault rifles.

7,398 committed by handgun.

Note to self… never hire an engineer that can’t do simple math (I.E. Prologue_67)

10,129+7,398=17,527 (more than 2500 of your original figure)
or
if those handguns are part of the 10,129 figure…

1,817 committed by knife.

647 committed by blunt weapons such as hammers, bats, clubs, pipes etc.

869 were simply beaten to death with hands, fists, feet.

… then the rest of these numbers don’t add up to your original 14,916 number. You’re nearly 1500 murders short.

In 2011 - last year in which full data is available

with as bad as you crunched the 2007 numbers I’m not going to bother fact checking you on these 2011 numbers.

“There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” -Mark Twain
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grmpysmrf

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Lazy and stupid huh?
Apparently you are a little slow when it comes to presenting “research.” you didn’t list your source which makes your information either stolen and you are guilty of plagerism (don’t worry I understand, many of your conservitive hereos are out right theives who take credit for others’ work) or made up which is that fnatasyland that you accuse others of living in.

So before you try to shirk responsibility and accuse others of your own short commings maybe you could just provide a link…huh?

You ultra conservatives are so beyond stupid it’s amazing you find your way home everyday. Maybe you don’t leave the house… that would explain the stunted social awareness.
Ass!
Late,
grmpysmrf

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So Gunnar, does this magic button have any restrictions? Could it be used to kill oneself for example?
I’m not suicidal, but in my line of work we come across people who are regularly. I wonder if someone who willfully wanted to end their own life and had access to the button you describe would do so knowing full well that once it was pressed the decision could not be reversed.

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Yes, lazy stupid and a total inability to comprehend. I clearly stated the source of information is FBI statistics of crime in the United States in the 1st post.

Yeah, clearly, as in clearly buried in the middle of the post with out even the courtesy of a hyper link.

very lazy cause you couldn’t be bothered even finish the job of listing all the stats. or even interpret them correctly!

Those stats are only the deaths reported to the FBI. That is not all of the deaths…
You can find very easily at the bottom of the page showcased in a box for easy convenience, what you won’t find on the page and the first one complete with hyper link is

WHAT YOU WON’T FIND ON THIS PAGE
The estimated number of murders known to law enforcement.

just like a conservative half assing everything, expecting everyone else to pick up your slack while you try pull all the glory.

ASS!

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grmpysmrf

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[reply]
Yeah, clearly, as in clearly buried in the middle of the post with out even the courtesy of a hyper link.

grmps, if you really were interested in having a discussion, you wouldn’t act like such a total fucktard. You simply want to argue. In particular with me, but anyone will do. [/reply]
Don’t flatter yourself. I’d prefer to argue with someone who has a modicum of intellect.

BTW your last post was IN NO WAY obvious in having no rebuttal in your misunderstanding of those numbers.

If you had asked in a civilized manner, such as “Would you mind posting a link? I’m having trouble finding the information you cite.” I would have provided the link gladly. But you just couldn’t do that.

I didn’t know writing…

And you got this data where? checked it, cross checked, with other similar reported stats? made sure none of the data was skewed?

…wasn’t civilized

and then when I was called “Lazy and stupid” I thought I would return your civility with…

So before you try to shirk responsibility and accuse others of your own short commings maybe you could just provide a link…huh?

Way to teach me a lesson, good for you.

Hey, turns out those numbers you posted were a little skewed weren’t they? yes they were, those silly numbers were all skewed, all skewed, yes they were those numbers were skewed…

Does writing to you like a child or a doggy help ease the fact that you are always wrong? I hope so, I’m here to help.

ASS!

Late,
grmpysmrf

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So Gunnar, does this magic button have any restrictions? Could it be used to kill oneself for example?
I’m not suicidal, but in my line of work we come across people who are regularly. I wonder if someone who willfully wanted to end their own life and had access to the button you describe would do so knowing full well that once it was pressed the decision could not be reversed.

It’s a MAGIC button, existing fully outside the limitations of both technology and science. You just have to think of the exact person you want dead, say his or her name out loud, and push the button. And as simple as that, the person falls dead with no evidence of foul play. Just an inexplicable sudden death.

I did not figure the button’s use as a suicide machine, but, based on the parameters I’ve laid out it could certainly be used in such manner.

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You guys are both dicks. Prologue, I don’t take issue with any of your numbers or statistics. I’m not going to count every bean and rice grain like Grumpy does, but I’ve seen similar figures so I think the overall trends and observations are correct. I’m not going to defend you, though, because you derailed my thread.

I didn’t want partisan bullcrap or political dogma, and specifically crafted this thread so people could check that crap at the door and actually speak from their own souls. Prologue, your initial intro/response was fine but you went and babbled off a bunch of irrellevant and unwanted figures and numbers intended to make some ideological point, thereby inviting the Wrath of the Grumpinator.

So, I’ll again tell the both of you: I don’t give a flaming turd what your political leanings are. If you want to discuss the topic presented, great. MOST people here are fully capable of it and I have found their input to be entertaining, enlightening, and challenging to my own personal paradigms.

Carry forth, Gentlemen. If you want to have your little ticklefight, please take it elsewhere. I don’t think anyone else on this thread wants to sift through it anymore than I do.

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I’m not a dick… Just ask me.
and for the record I didn’t go partisan till he did. His first retort to me was “liberal” this and that

But let me put this train back on course…

I wouldn’t push that button even if it meant I could say prologues name and the person that prologue really is would die.

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grmpysmrf

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No problem, Gents. Thanks for your understanding.

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I would possibly use a magic button.

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Going back to the original post, the different hypotheticals are pretty interesting. One of them requires direct, personal involvement, and another is entirely detached. It’s my feeling that it’s that detachment which occasionally fuels military adventurism, wars of choice. I’m sure you all know the quote misattributed to Stalin that one death is a tragedy and a million is a statistic. No doubt Bush or Obama have approved actions that have killed people, but I’m willing to bet they’d be a lot more reluctant to sign orders if they had to look the victims, “guilty” or collateral damage, in the eye.

I can’t say for certain the ramifications of killing someone on a personal level, because I’ve never killed someone; but certainly evidence (that I will happily cite should someone desire me to give more information) suggests a not insignificant number of law enforcement and military personnel suffer meaningful short term and long term effects from shooting and killing someone, even if it is a justified shoot.

It’s worrying that the increasing depersonalization of war may invite power wielders with that amount of depersonalized weaponry and options to be even more cavalier with use of military force. Obviously war’s a lot less bloody than it used to be, and it’s more efficient, but there’s also less of a domestic impact than there once was.

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No.

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