Curiosity kills me a little

After reading through a few of the current threads and so on, i’ve been very curious to check out a few bands, but not sure on whether or not i’d like them or not. One being Throbbing Gristle, and the other being Cabaret Voltaire. I almost got one CV album off itunes about a month ago (microphonies), but pussy’d out. Same with TG, but with TG, i’ve heard ABSOLUTELY NOTHING as with CV, i’ve at least heard No Name No Slogan.

Always in the mood to discover something new, but still skeptical to the unknown. Any reviews and descriptions to guide me along?

The Cabs were best in the 80s. Microphonies is certainly a good place to start, along with The Crackdown and The Covenant, The Swird And The Arm Of The Lord. That stuff’s mork funk - sort of like No Name No Slogan. n The early stuff’s more noisy. Mix Up was my first Cabs album, and it was pretty decent, but may be a litlle sparse/harsh than wht you’re looking for initially.

TG definitely has their highs and lows. Personally, I enjoy their live stuff more than their studio releases. Mission Of Lost Souls is a fairly common release and is a recording of their last show. It probably gets the most play of any TG for me. You’re probably best offstarting with 20 Jazz Funk Greats ir Greatest Hits for starters though.

Cabaret Voltaire is a band that you shouldn’t ignore. Microphonies and The Crackdown are two albums you won’t regret buying. One thing to consider is that their sound changes considerably over the years:

Their early stuff (74-83) is rhythmic, experimental noise, with tape loops, tinny drums, harsh soundscapes, creepy guitars, post-punk vocals, and sometimes saxophone. Great background music, fascinating to hear this type of music being made so long ago, but definitely nothing to sing along or dance to. It’s their least accessible music, but very rewarding when you listen. I do recommend getting into this stuff later!

Their second ‘phase’, (83-87) is heavy with more traditional melodic structures, more upbeat, dancey at times, bass lines that straddle the line between funk and new wave, arppegiated (blippy) synth patterns, samples, a few soundscapes, and catchier vocals and guitar hooks. This is my favorite period of CV, and you can’t go wrong with anything from this era (if this is the sound you’re looking for). The Crackdown, Microphonies, The Covenant, Sword…, Drain Train, and the polished (bordering on commercial) CODE came out during this time. I recommend them all (Drain Train is my least favorite of the bunch).

Their 3rd phase (89-92) starts off with the wretched Groovy, Laidback, and Nasty, the proverbial ‘black eye’ of The Cab’s catalogue. It’s pure R 'n B dance music, complete with 808/909 dance drums, soulful back-up singers, and a heap of shitty pop songs. Avoid like the plague. From there, they veer into more club-oriented music - lots of simplified jungle beat rhythms and melodies, less vocalized and pop-structured, a bit darker, and more repetitive. Very much a product of early 90’s dance music.

Hope that helps.

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“Nag Nag Nag” is the exception to the early stuff. Still spiky and difficult but also rockin’ and sing-along-able. One of my top 50 songs of all time.

Cabaret Voltaire are complete shit after their experimental phase.

TG, on the other hand, are consistently awesome. Start with ‘20 Jazz Funk Greats’ or ‘The Taste of TG’ (an awesome best-of compilation)

Or just get their new CD, ‘Part Two: The Endless Not’ which is fucking awesome.

Either way, man the fuck up and downlaod some songs and buy the shit if you like them. This isn’t the fucking early 90s…

Could’ve sworn they had the entire TG discography on itunes…guess not anymore…meh. I did end up getting Microphonies, which is a pretty interesting album that needs more listens to grow on me. It’s kind of what I was expecting, but that’s not a bad thing at all.

Cab is beauty. great stuff. same as sisters of mercy… goooood stuff.

but TG is kinda… well… i dont think they are all that great. id much rather play Rozz era Christian Death

I think the new TG album is a great way to start off. It’s not the classic that Jazz Funk is, and it’s arguable whether or not it’s a better album, but it is possibly TG at their most accessible.
So my official recommendation is The Endless Not.
or else you could just try TG24.

Cabaret Voltaire’s musical legacy is sort of like an extended version of Al, really, just rearranged, and spread out with MANY more releases over 20+ years.

Al/Ministry basically has had 4 or 5 distincts sounds:

Outright synth-pop, slightly poppish noise (Twitch & the Wax Trax-era material), outright industrial (LORAH arguably up through somewhere between Psalm 69 & DSOTS) and then generic, overtly political hillbilly metal (everything after the AI soundtrack).

The Cabs also had 5 distinct “eras”: 1. Their early experimental phase (fantastic stuff IF you can approach it with plenty of time on your hands, a good set of headphones and an open mind), 2. Their later Nag Nag Nag/Baader Meinhof-era more politically-minded noise/post punk material, 3. Then their early-mid 80s uptempo funk (Crackdown, Microphonies etc). I actually find this their least enjoyable period. Don’t get me wrong, I still have a lot of favorites from this era, but some of it seems forced and I think they were trying to beat a quick retreat from their “experimental” badge right after Chris Watson’s departure. 4. The next phase (arguably including “Code”) was one I personally like, the Chicago house sounds on Groovy, Laidback’n Nasty–again, just taking it as what it is. Even with throwaway pop-type material, Richard Kirk still worked up some wicked grooves on some of those songs.

Probably the most underrated material from CV is their 5th and final phase, encompassing all of the post-GLN material: Percussion Force, Body & Soul and Colours. These are all forgotten but superb mini-albums/extended EPs (these three releases can be thought of as their version of Twitch–one foot still in poppy house and another foot in darker ambient/jungle/trance material). Then they did Technology: Western Re-works which is a great remake (definitely not remixes) album of some of their best songs from the early-mid 80s. Think of Kraftwerk’s The Mix as a similar type of reworking. Also, Wikipedia’s entry is wrong in that saying that Colours is the last album Mal sang on. I believe all of the vocals on Technology were re-recorded and it came out in '92…Crackdown, in particular, sounds better as early 90s techno than it does as early 80s electro-funk song.

Going on from that is their final trilogy from '92-'94: Plasticity, International Language, and The Conversation (double disc). They are all dark, engrossing studies in jungle/trance/ambient with the usual CV “soundtrack” feel with lots of samples etc (there’s a very heavy Outer Limits influence at work here and CV even samples themselves in an apparent nod to their past). The Conversation’s 2nd disc is so dissimilar to the first disc that they might as well be two separate albums.

Then Richard H. Kirk’s solo stuff from the early 90s onward is similar in many ways to the last handful of CV releases…I really think of the final CV trio as basically Kirk solo efforts as I it’s hard to find any of Mal’s influence anywhere.

P.S. Both versions of No Name, No Slogan are pretty mediocre effort on all counts. You’d think the combined powers of the Ministry & the CV camps at the height of their respective powers could have come up with at least an EP’s worth of material.

P.P.S. As far as RH Kirk solo material & TG, there’s enough in each of those topics to fill up another whole message board. But for RHK solo, I recommend Sandoz’s Digial Lifeforms (Kirk has recorded under dozens of oddball pseudonyms), Kirk’s Virtual State & The Numer of Magic, Dark Magnus, Orchestral Terrestrial, & Intoxica by Nitrogen. For TG, just get “The Taste Of” and “20 Jazz Funk Greats”. Hamburger Lady & Hot on the Hheels of Love" are probably the most beginner-friendly songs.

After reading through a few of the current threads and so on, i’ve been very curious to check out a few bands, but not sure on whether or not i’d like them or not. One being Throbbing Gristle, and the other being Cabaret Voltaire.

Any reviews and descriptions to guide me along?

Throbbing Gristle:

D.O.A : The Third And Final Report Of Throbbing Gristle - absolutely essential industrial. The benchmark that all albums that even loosely fall inside this genre should be measured against. Ignore at yr own peril.

Part Two: The Endless Not - The new album. Pretty damn good. Very Coil (band featuring ex TG member Peter Cristopherson, who are also very much worth checking out).

Mission Of Dead Souls - Live album. Very dark. Crap recording…but that’s kinda the point, isn’t it?

Only CV i’ve heard/got is still Microphonies, which is growing on me. Throbbing Gristle, i’ve got the first, second and third annual reports and Part Two: The Endless Not. Some good stuff there, but my favorite is probably The Endless Not. Seems to stand out a bit more to me, but I still enjoy the other stuff.

As for me when it concerns TG. if anyone were to ask me to recommend what TG song to listen to.

It’s “Hot on the heels of love” & “Hamburger lady”. two totally contrasting tracks. the former an almost trance-like sound that u can chill out & the latter imo the creepiest industrial song ever recorded.

And while I was at it, I also got the Puppy Gristle collaboration, which is pretty fuckin’ sweet as well. Times like these where I just adore synths.

Gosh, for TG my favorite tracks are their two earliest “pop” songs - “United” and “Something Came Over Me”. Those two are absolutely brilliant. I like “20 Jazz Funk Greats” too and “Endless Not”. Everything else I wax and wane on. But “United” and “SCOM” are simply two of my favorite pieces of mangled pop ever released. Years ago the project I was involved in did a cover a “SCOM”. Audiences went crazy for that one…