well…u might be able to guess what I’m on about just by the title but yeah, I didn’t know these two were bonus tracks til like yesterday(i’m not sure I would rank the album so high in the Ministry hierarchy without these two cuts). My question being what are the origens of these two songs? As in were they Rape&Honey era b-sides that they had left off 4 whatever reason n simply put back on 4 the '92 CD issue, were they recorded new around the time of re-issue FOR the re-issue. A couple other possibilities I could think of but these seem the most likely. In any case I just like to know these things so if any one actually knows I’d appreciate u droppin me a reply on this. Thnx in advance.
p.s. Wuts crackin people, this is my first post. (I more or less registered just to ask this question but who knows I may stick around)
Hizbollah and I Prefer were simply bonus cuts from the time period of The Land of Rape and Honey added to the cd. I’m pretty positive they’ve been on every cd issue of the album as they were on it in 1988. I remember getting it for Christmas that year, and I still have the cardboard long box for that one. They were not on the cassette or LP.
It has been noted that the music for Hizbollah has been around since the 1984 tour when it was used as an opener minus the chanting. The chanting was added to it later from a cassette Paul Barker had.
I prefer the album without these tracks as I got the cassette first, the running order without them sounds better to me. I like the tracks though and find they go really well with two other LoRaH outtakes “Apathy/Better Ways”.
At the time, the CD was still pretty new tech and the bonus tracks were added as an attempt to promote the medium. Ministry/Sire were not the only ones to do this kind of thing, the practice was quite commonplace. As a matter of fact, most bands and labels still do it when releasing albums on DVD-Audio, SACD or whatever else is new… Even iTunes has exclusive bonuses from time to time.
I first heard the album on CD, so the running order with the extra tracks is what I’m used to. Hizbollah sits in the album flow nicely, in my opinion. I Prefer is a obviously a 2-minute aggro jerk-off session, but I always liked it (enough to cover it). If anything, Abortive is practically a third bonus track, seeing that it was a Twitch leftover (and more suited to fit that album). What’s odd is when bonus tracks are mixed into the running order, instead of being tacked on at the bottom.
Hizbollah- got a 1984 live recording of that from a high school show. The song’s basically the same, minus;
-the strings and vocals samples
-the synthesiser part (playing the B and C eighth note patterns)
-so the only resemblance really is with the percussion parts; the cowbell and drumstick sounds in particular
-there’s a totally different synth sound used anyway for the ‘melody’; it can be heard in the very last 10 seconds fading away in the song ‘Isle of Man v2’ (barely hearable tho… thank god for synaesthesia, the ‘green’ i noticed told me it was there!).
I Prefer- Chris Connelly actually sings on this song in the chorus. If you listen to the ‘untitled’ carmichaels’ demo song (a band al was in back in 1983), the chorus percussion pattern is identical to that of I Prefer, so it’s pretty obvious Al had the song in mind for ages and just changed it around… for the better, I might add
-Abortive- this is amazing to listen to stoned. many a compression session enjoyed in the car with this one
I Prefer is a fucking awesome track! Hell, everything on there is. And if you want to call anything “aggro jerk off”, i’d say Flashback. Abortive, imo, could’ve fit on either LORAH or Twitch though. I don’t consider it the odd man out by any means. And i’ve had the chance recently to hear the original 84 version of Hizbollah. Both are pretty nifty imo too.
Now I feel like a pissant and need to lay down…bargh…
Holy Crap! I did not know that these were CD bonus songs! Wow! Ya learn something new everyday!
I first heard the album on CD, so the running order with the extra tracks is what I’m used to. Hizbollah sits in the album flow nicely, in my opinion. I Prefer is a obviously a 2-minute aggro jerk-off session, but I always liked it (enough to cover it). If anything, Abortive is practically a third bonus track, seeing that it was a Twitch leftover (and more suited to fit that album).
I concur almost 100% with 1002 here except for his statement that Abortive was “more suited to fit that album (Twitch).”
I think Abortive was the perfect way to end the album after the “2-minute aggro jerk-off session” (Well put, my friend!) that “I Prefer” is. It was light-hearted, groovy, with a beat you could dance to… had those killer bass synth pads and space flight samples… the whole album was so dark and surreal that I liked the way it ended with a dance-poppy post-industrial end that I don’t think would have worked on Twitch at all despite the time period it was recorded.
All in all I love the way the album flows and am ashamed I did not have any clue that these songs were CD bonus songs!
well dayum thnx errrbody, I wasn’t xpecting this many responses
-while I’m at it, anybody here into mid-'80s White Zombie? I’ve always wondered if the “[W.Z.]” printed after “King of Souls” means that it’s a cover or something. I just fuckin luv that guitar figure during the verse, i almost wouldn’t be surprised to learn that the song is a cover of sum garage rock act or sumthing.
For $carkrow, I posted this a while back, but I recorded my own version of “I Prefer” about two years ago…maybe you’ll like this.
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The Corrugation - I Prefer
Maybe “aggro jerk-off” was the wrong description! I don’t know, it seemed fitting, but I do like the song. RE: vocals, I thought it was all Al on the track. I only recall hearing Chris on “The Missing”, correct me if I’m wrong.
I just downloaded your cover 1002. I will give a listen and comment. I remember when it was up before, (probably years ago now?) but I don’t know if I heard it then.
As for the discussion, I think the album would not be the same without these 2 songs yet I never heard it otherwise so they feel like a part of it to me. I like both of them, especially “I Prefer”
“Hizbollah” is really cool because they have the whole Arabic Industrial vibe that I really love and is rare. I might site this song as an influence. But the downside is it is a bit repetitive it feels it’s lacking something and the drums are a bit cheesy. It does sound a little dated on the album so not surprised it was older. And I seem to remember the bridge feeling too bare.
As for “I Prefer” I don’t care how simple and throw-away aggro it is. I love that track. I think it’s perfect as is and is one of my favorites on ‘LORAH’. Like a lot of the others, it seems simple but has a lot of little panned layers with the drum crashes and different little percussion bits and what not it feels more complete sonically even though I have no doubt “Hizbollah” has more layers.
I think because the thickness of the drums and synths covers its bareness and fills it out where “Hizbollah” has a lot of bells and whistles but the main rhythmic core and drums feels a bit weaker than the rest of the album.
You can clearly hear Chris’ vox on the bridges in The Missing, but I don’t hear him on anything else. You Know What You Are is so processed, it’s hard to tell, but I always thought it was Al.
Welcome aboard the, uh… board, man. Aw, man! Your post’s got me remembering why I love this disc so much. Those two tracks are two of my faves off the disc, the former being a nice, strange trip like my favorite Ministry song ever (“Dream Song”); the latter being fast, furious, and fun.