I actually have the VHS tape to vol.2 (i think its vol 2) that had a bunch of the videos. Gunnar, i really hate that B6 thunderstruck track. They have so many better tracks starting with police state, and you cannot walk here.
True. Probably the MOST appropriate title would have been “Ministry, Throbbing Gristle, and Every Band That Currently Exists on Any Cleopatra Release.”
There were some that were so thinly related, if at all. Like, I think Cleo had just re-pressed a Faster Pussycat CD or something, so they were like, “Oh, Faster Pussycat? Yeah, they were very influential on the Industrial scene!”
The guy who wrote it (Dave Thomas, I think) also wrote the liner notes to all Cleo’s industrial compilations, and it was clear that he BARELY knew what he was talking about. Aside from the shameless Cleopatra promotion, he had a hard-on for prog rock bands so there were big entries on King Crimson and shit like that. He also insisted on calling synthpop “synthi-pop”. As far as I know, he’s the only person on earth that ever did that.
As for the compilations, the very first Industrial Revolution was actually an excellent overview of the genre’s history. Cleopatra had to revise it when TVT bought Waxtrax and made them take all those bands off. So the revised edition is still pretty good, but has an unfortunate number of no-name Cleopatra bands jammed in there because they had to remove KMFDM and whoever. Volume 2 was pretty much a standard Cleo comp with a few interesting tracks from other labels sprinkled in.
I typed this the last time we discussed this book:
Faster Pussycat isn’t in Industrial Revolution, at least not the edition of it I have. Here are all the artists with full entries or redirects (there are far too many redirects):
ACID HORSE: see Ministry
A HEAD: see X MARKS THE PEDWALK
AJAX
MARC ALMOND: see COIL, FOETUS, SOFT CELL
AMON DÜÜL II
ANTI-GROUP: see CLOCK DVA
ARMAGEDDON DILDOS
ART BEARS: see FRED FRITH
ART OF NOISE
MARTIN ATKINS: see PIGFACE
ATV: see COIL, PSYCHIC TV, PUNK ROCK
BABYLAND
DAVE BALL: see CABARET VOLTIARE, STEPHEN MALLINDER, SOFT CELL
BLIXA BARGELD: see EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN
BATZ WITHOUT FLESH
BAUHAUS: see GOTH
CAPTAIN BEEFHEART: see CHROME, POP GROUP, PUNK ROCK, RESIDENTS, SNAKEFINGER
JELLO BIAFRA: see LARD
BLOK 57
BIGOD 20
BODY SINK: see CONTROLLED BLEEDING
DAVID BOWIE
BRIAN BRAIN: see MARTIN ATKINS
GLENN BRANCA
BRITISH ELECTRIC FOUNDATION: see HUMAN LEAGUE
BROTHERS AND SISTERS
FRIEDER BUTZMANN
CABARET VOLTAIRE
JOHN CALE
ROBERT CALVERT
CAN
CHEMLAB
CHRIS CARTER: see CHRIS & COSEY
NICK CAVE: see FOETUS, SOFT CELL
CHRIS & COSEY
CHRISTIAN DEATH: see GOTH, PREMATURE EJACULATION
CHROME
CLAN OF XYMOX: see XYMOX
CLAWHAMMER: see DEVO
CLAY PEOPLE
CLOCK DVA
CLUSTER: see ENO, KRAUT ROCK
CODE INDUSTRY
COIL
COMPOUND
CHRIS CONNELLY: see MARTIN ATKINS, KILLING JOKE, PIGFACE, REVOLTING COCKS
CONSOLIDATED
CONSTRICTION
CONTAGION
CONTROLLED BLEEDING
COP SHOOT COP
CORE: see CHRIS & COSEY
COSEY FANNI TUTTI: see CHRIS & COSEY
COUM TRANSMISSIONS: see THROBBING GRISTLE
CREATIVE TECHNOLOGY INSTITUTE: see CHRIS & COSEY
CRADLE OF THORNS
CRASH WORSHIP
HELIOS CREED: see CHROME
CRIMSN IVY
DAVID CUNNINGHAM: see FLYING LIZARDS
CUPELO: see DOME
CURRENT 93
CHRIS CUTLER: see FRED FRITH
CYBERAKTIF
HOLGER CZUKAY
DEATH METHOD
DEPECHE MODE
DEUTSCHE-AMERIKANISCHE FREUNDSCHAFT
DEVO
DIATRIBE
DIE KRUPPS
DIE WARZAU
DISCIPLINE
DOME
DUET EMMO: see DOME
EBBINGHAUS
EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN
ELECTRIC HELLFIRE CLUB
BRIAN ENO
ETHYL MEATPLOW
EXCESSIVE FORCE: see KMFDM, MY LIFE WITH THE THRILL KILL KULT
EXECUTIVE SLACKS
FAD GADGET: see FRANK TOVEY
THE FALL: see PUNK ROCK
FALL OF BECAUSE: see GODFLESH
FAUST
FEAR FACTORY
FLYING LIZARDS
FOETUS INC.
JOHN FOXX
ROBERT FRIPP
FRED FRITH
FRONT 242
FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY
PETER GABRIEL: see ROBERT FRIPP
GEKO
GODFLESH
GOTH
GROTUS
THE HAFLER TRIO
PETER HAMMILL: see PUBLIC IMAGE LTD., PUNK ROCK, VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR
HAPPIEST PLACE ON EARTH, THE: see PREMATURE EJACULATION
HAWKWIND: see ROBERT CALVERT, PUNK ROCK
HENRY COW: see FRED FRITH, RESIDENTS, SLAPP HAPPY
HERE AND NOW: see PUNK ROCK
HOLGER HILLER: see PALAIS SCHAUMBURG
HILT
ROWLAND S. HOWARD: see EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN
HUMAN LEAGUE
IMAGES IN VOGUE
IMMACULATE CONSUMPTIVES: see FOETUS INC., SOFT CELL
IN THE NURSERY
INDUSTRIAL ARTZ
INDUSTRIAL MUSIC
INNER SPACE: see CAN, HOLGER CZUKAY, KRAUT ROCK
INTERMIX: see FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY
JAPAN: see HOLGER CZUKAY, SYNTHIPOP
JAYWALKER
JOINED AT THE HEAD: see CONTROLLED BLEEDING
JON JON
JOY DIVISION
JUSTIFIED ANCIENTS OF MU MU: see KLF
HENRY KAISER: see FRED FRITH
KILLING JOKE
KING KRIMSON: see ROBERT FRIPP
RICHARD H. KIRK
KLF
KLUTE
KMFDM
KRAFTWERK
DAGMAR KRAUSE: see FRED FRITH, SLAPP HAPPY
KRAUTROCK
LAB REPORT
LAIBACH
LARD: see MINISTRY
LEAD INTO GOLD: see MINISTRY
LEATHER NUN
LEÆTHER STRIP
LEAGUE OF GENTLEMEN: see ROBERT FRIPP, XTC
THOMAS LEER
LEGENDARY PINK DOTS
LORDS OF ACID
LOOP: see GODFLESH
LOVE STREET: see STEPHEN MALLINDER, SOFT CELL
LUNG
LYDIA LUNCH: see EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN, FOETUS, MY LIFE WIH THE THRILL KILL KULT
MAGMA
STEPHEN MALLINDER
MARIAS BAD
MC 900 FT JESUS
MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO
MENTALLO & THE FIXER
METAL MACHINE MUSIC
DANIEL MILLER
MINISTRY
MOEV
GIORGIO MORODER: see HUMAN LEAGUE, KRAFTWERK, KRAUT ROCK, DONNA SUMMER
MURDER INC.: see PIGFACE
MUDER IN EXILE
MY LIFE WITH THE THRILL KILL KULT
MY SIN
NEON JUDGEMENT
NEU
NEW ORDER: see JOY DIVISION
NEWS FROM BABEL: see FRED FRITH
COLIN NEWMAN
NINE INCH NAILS
NITZER EBB
NOISE UNIT: see FRONT LINE ASSEMBLY
NON: see BOYD RICE
GARY NUMAN
NUMB
NURSE WITH WOUND
10,000 HOMO DJS [sic]: see MINISTRY
THE ORB: see KLF
ORGANIZATION: see KRAFTWERK, KRAUT ROCK
ORGANUM: see NURSE WITH WOUND
OUT OUT
P’O: see DOME
PALAIS SCHAUMBURG
PANKOW
PENAL COLONY
PERE UBU: see PUNK ROCK
PETS FOR MEAT: see CONTROLLED BLEEDING
PIG
PIGFACE
PINK FLOYD
CONNIE PLANK: see HOLGER CZUKAY, DAF, EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN, JOHN FOXX, KILLING JOKE, KRAFTWERK, KRAUT ROCK, NEU
IGGY POP: see DAVID BOWIE, BRIAN ENO
POP GROUP
PREMATURE EJACULATION
PRESSURE COMPANY: see CABARET VOLTAIRE, TILLER BOYS
PRESSUREHEAD
PROTHESE: see FRONT 242
PSYCHIC TV
PSYCOPOMPS
PTP: see MINISTRY
PUBLIC IMAGE LIMITED
PUNK ROCK
ERIC RANDOM: see TILLER BOYS
LOU REED: see METAL MACHINE MUSIC, VELVET UNDERGROUND
RENALDO & THE LOAF: see THE RESIDENTS
RENEGADE SOUNDWAVE
ROBERT RENTAL
THE RESIDENTS
BOYD RICE
RIKKI & THE LAST DAYS OF EARTH: see PUNK ROCK, SYNTHIPOP
TERRY RILEY
RINGTAILED SNORTER: see X MARKS THE PEDWALK
ROXY MUSIC: see BRIAN ENO
CLINT RUIN: see FOETUS
SAVAGE REPUBLIC
IRMIN SCHMIDT
SHADOW PROJECT: see GOTH, PREMATURE EJACULATION
PETE SHELLEY: see CAN, PUNK ROCK, TILLER BOYS
ADRIAN SHERWOOD: see DEPECHE MODE, KMFDM, MINISTRY, OUT OUT
SILICON TEENS: see DANIEL MILLER
SIOUXSIE & THE BANSHEES: see GOTH, PUNK ROCK
SISTER MACHINE GUN
SISTERS OF MERCY: see GOTH, SUICIDE
SKELETON CREW: see FRED FRITH
SKIN CHAMBER: see CONTROLLED BLEEDING
SLITS: see PUNK ROCK
SKINNY PUPPY
SLAPP HAPPY
SLAVESTATE: see SLEEP CHAMBER
SLEEP CHAMBER
SNAKEFINGER
SOFT CELL
SPAHN RANCH
SPK
SPONTANEOIS MUSIC ENSEMBLE: see PUNK ROCK
STEROID MAXIMUS: see FOETUS
MARK STEWART: see POP GROUP
KARLHEINZ STOCKHAUSEN
SUICIDE
DONNA SUMMER
SWANS
SWEET EXORCIST: see RICHARD KIRK
SYNTHIPOP [sic]
TACKHEAD
TANGERINE DREAM
TEST DEPARTMENT
JIM THIRLWELL: see FOETUS
THIS HEAT: see PUNK ROCK
THROBBING GRISTLE
TILLER BOYS
FRANK TOVEY
TREPONEM PAL
TUBEWAY ARMY: see GARY NUMAN
TUBALCAIN
TUNNELMEN
NIK TURNER’S SPHINX: see ROBERT CALVERT, CHROME, PUNK ROCK
ULTRAVOX: see JOHN FOXX, SYNTHIPOP
VAMPIRE RODENTS
VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR
EDGARD VARESE
VEIN CAGE: see OUT OUT
VELVET UNDERGROUND
VOICE OF DESTRUCTION
WARSAW: see JOY DIVISION
WARWORLD
ROZZ WILLIAMS: see GOTH, PREMATURE EJACULATION
WIRE
WIR: see WIRE
WISEBLOOD: see FOETUS
X MARKS THE PEDWALK
XON: see RICHARD KIRK
XORCIST
XTC
XYMOX
LAMONTE YOUNG
YOUNG GODS
YOUNG SCIENTISTS: see MINISTRY
FRANK ZAPPA/MOTHERS OF INVENTION: see CAN, FAUST, PUNK ROCK, RESIDENTS
Z’EV
Appendix: Industrial Revolution Additions by Chase (basically the same format as the rest of the book, to include artists missed by Dave Thompson)
A SPLIT SECOND
ATTRITION
A;GRUMH
BLUE EYED CHRIST
CAT RAPES DOG
DIGITAL POODLE
DIN
DIVE
FINI TRIBE
FORCE DIMENSION
INSEKT
KLINIK
LASSIGUE BENDTHAUS
LUC VAN ACKER: see MUSSOLINI HEADKICK
MALHAVOK [sic]
MUSSOLINI HEADKICK
PAIN EMISSION
PLACEBO EFFECT
POESIE NOIRE
PORTION CONTROL
POUPPEE FABRIKK
PROJECT PITCHFORK
2ND COMMUNICATION
16 VOLT
STG
SWAMP TERRORISTS
VOMITO NEGRO
WILL
True. Probably the MOST appropriate title would have been “Ministry, Throbbing Gristle, and Every Band That Currently Exists on Any Cleopatra Release.”
There were some that were so thinly related, if at all. Like, I think Cleo had just re-pressed a Faster Pussycat CD or something, so they were like, “Oh, Faster Pussycat? Yeah, they were very influential on the Industrial scene!”
For what it’s worth, Faster Pussycat guitarist ‘Taime Downe’ (get it?!) was a touring member of Pigface. Who knows how it even came about; I doubt it was anything more complicated than him buying Martin Atkins an O’doul’s after a gig and asking if he could come and ‘jam’ for a few shows.
But as far as any actual ‘influence’ goes - I can’t imagine that, unless it was members of industrial bands watching FP’s turn in “Decline of Western Civilization: The Metal Years” while on the tour bus (and that’s just required viewing, period…)
And who could forget [url http://www.discogs.com/Vanilla-Ice-Vanilla-Ice-Is-Back-Hip-Hop-Classics/release/3555333]this titan of industrial culture, the foundation stone upon which we build our mighty fortress of armed audio warfare.
Yeah, yeah, I know about Taime touring with Pigface and ditching the Steven Tyler scarves and putting on some Genitorturers’ style bondage cop uniform instead.
I think that’s why I thought he was in that book. Probably we had joked about it before.
Thanks to whomever mentioned the King Krimson stuff. That was pretty funny. It made me remember the TANGERINE DREAM inclusion when I read that (and properly confirmed by dust’s list).
I’m going to assume that the ADDED bands in the follow up edition(s) were on discs later added to the Cleo catalog and they by default became necessary chapters in this great saga of industrial music history.
Oh, and I know pretty much ALL “industrial” artists put Donna Summer as their #1 influence as well.
Taime Downe always seemed like such a douche-hole…
Taime Downe always seemed like such a douche-hole…
Even his name alone suggests that he’s a total dipshit [:)]
[reply]Taime Downe always seemed like such a douche-hole…
Even his name alone suggests that he’s a total dipshit [:)][/reply]
On the other hand, the version of Suck he did on Feels Like Heaven… Sounds Like Shit is fantastic.
Birmingham 6’s “Thunderstruck” is badass. Pisses all over Ministry’s version.
And yeah, they had a handful of tribute albums in the mid 90’s that I thought were actually pretty cool, especially “Covered in Black: An Industrial Tribute to AC/DC” (that had the Birmingham 6 “Thunderstruck” track on it, which was easily the best on the disc).
I thought Godflesh’s For Those About To Rock was amazing. Thunderstruck is a class song!
[reply]Birmingham 6’s “Thunderstruck” is badass. Pisses all over Ministry’s version.
I checked out the B 6 version. I found it interesting but you can’t make Thunderstruck good. The tune is just cringe worthy for me.[/reply]
Go to Hell.
Go directly to Hell.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect $200.
[reply][reply]Taime Downe always seemed like such a douche-hole…
Even his name alone suggests that he’s a total dipshit [:)][/reply]
On the other hand, the version of Suck he did on Feels Like Heaven… Sounds Like Shit is fantastic.[/reply]
Ah I remember that now. I think that ended up becoming the template for a great live version in Chicago, which was little more than Ogre on vocals and a droning sitar - at some point in one of the last verses he also modified a line to “one thousand Trent Reznors imitating me”
Birmingham 6’s “Thunderstruck” is badass. Pisses all over Ministry’s version.
The only good version of thunderstruck is ACDC’s version everything else is a waste of time.
As a matter of fact that cover may be the only B6 song I don’t like.
Has anybody else noticed that between Al and Angie’s FB posts, it appears something is wrong? Angie is constantly posting items or sayings referring to needing strength and support.
And does anybody know why they moved to LA?
My guess is that they are fling for bankruptcy. Selling of the ranch, selling the rights to Cleopatra, etc.
Thoughts?