Challenging The Perceived Notion Of Disco Being Lame

In my younger days before I actually got digging for interesting records I simply assumed that Disco was lame. Bands like Abba and The Bee Gees were Disco. And although Abba & The Bee Gees knew how to write incredibly successful tunes, they didn’t exactly create much that made the serious record collector/DJ sit up and take note that maybe…just maybe there was some awesome Disco out there.

We are now in the Internet Age and as a result of others hard work digging through record vaults around the world we know that Disco was in fact home to some of the deadliest and most bad-ass records around. If you don’t believe me then please bare with me and see if I can change your mind.

Obviously many folks here were or are Ministry fans. Depending on the era of Ministry I think we can all agree that Disco had an impact on Al in one way or another…I’m just sayin…

Anyway over the last 10yrs there has been a huge boom in the 12" Disco Re-Edit. The producers creating these first and foremost need to find the original killer tune to edit. The more obscure the better is the mantra for the most part. These 12"s tend to be pressed in batches of 500 and they tend to change hands for a lot more than they were originally once the 500 vanish into cases. Still £100 for a shit-hot edit is not too bad compared to £2500 for the original 12".

One of the absolute heavyweights in the business of the Disco Edit today is a guy called Eric “Dr Dunks” Duncan. He is also one half of Rub n Tug who are popular in their own right on the club circuit worldwide. Dr Dunks is responsible for the C.O.M.B.i Edit 12"s. These are pressed in Japan and they are without a doubt the DOPEST of the dope when it comes to edits. Each C.O.M.B.i. Edit 12" has 2 tunes, 1 on each side. My hope is that once the C.O.M.B.i Edit series finally presses up its final 12" (Y & Z to go now) they will compile all the tunes from A-Z on a 3 or 4 X CD box set. The C.O.M.B.i Edits never got a digital release so it’d make sense to offer this wonderful music up to CD-DJs, home listeners/collectors and fans who missed out first time around.
https://www.discogs.com/label/100121-Combi

The most important ingredient with a great edit starts with the source material obviously…then from there it comes to the love, respect and skills shown by those responsible for giving the material a new life. Then it’s all down to mastering and the press.

My top 5 when it comes to the Re-Edit is the following…

1 - Dr Dunks aka Eric Duncan
2 - The Reflex
3 - Cole Medina
4 - Greg Wilson
5 - Todd Terje

So BACK to my opening call of arms to Challenging The Perceived Notion Of Disco Being Lame…Dr Dunks did just THAT with an insanely bad-ass mixtape called How We Do In NYC.
I must point out that one of the MAIN qualities (traits) of proper Disco is bad-ass. The Disco HAD to be bad-ass as well as funky. Very important that one. So what I want as a fan is for the artist to get rid of the cheese and replace it with the bad-ass when creating these works.

How We Do In NYC is a very rare and limited cd. It is pretty expensive but totally worth it as it’s the funkiest most bad-ass document of Disco Edits around. Most importantly though is that it is the only cd around with a few prime C.O.M.B.i Edit cuts. In fact it has my absolute favourite Disco Edit which is Stone Waters.
Stone Waters is the tune that enlightened me to the fact that Disco is the dopest.
Stone Waters has a massive cavernous sound, a hypnotic rhythm with dubbed out percussion. Stone Waters sound like King Tubby making a Disco 12" with Robert Fripp along for the ride on guitar.

C.O.M.B.i Edits - Stone Waters
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGHIUdhBVA

Dr Dunks - How We Do In NYC - Review
http://www.residentadvisor.net/review-view.aspx?id=6389

  1. Keep a Burning
  2. Dancing Fast
  3. Fire Hungry
  4. Let Dance
  5. “Hold Me”
  6. She the Ones
  7. Stone Waters
  8. Stop Playin’
  9. Kill
  10. How We Do in NYC

https://www.discogs.com/Dr-Dunks-Aka-Eric-Duncan-How-We-Do-In-NYC/release/1810431

Eric Duncan, one-half of Gotham’s sleaze-disco overlords Rub-n-Tug, turns in a full-length mix for clothing label aNYthing’s imprint. It’s the second Rub-n-Tug-related mix for the aNYthing crew, the first being Better With A Spoonful of Leather, an album-length dive into snail’s-pace dance grooves that rivaled Houston rap in its sleepwalking, codeine-heavy slowness. How We Do in NYC, in contrast, is a mix of sweaty, energetic string and vocal-laden Philly-style disco, all tweaked and edited into shape by Duncan himself.

The man’s got a slew of strong releases under various names, like his pseudonym Dr. Dunks and side projects like DFA’s Still Going, and it’s great fortune to have this mix see the light of day—consider it one of the closest approximations to getting the Rub-n-Tug treatment in the club firsthand: Duncan and his partner Thomas Bullock are renowned for a kind of raw-dog in-the-red mixing style that gleefully eschews perfection for passion, and this release delivers. Like a lot of killer NY underground disco these days, however, it’s a rather limited-press offering. For some reason some of NY’s heaviest disco hitters couldn’t give a toss about career-building or conquering the sales charts. (It’s no surprise that one of the scene’s finest purveyors is called Whatever We Want Records.)

Full of rollicking orchestral builds and swaggering grooves, How We Do in NYC is a fire-breather from start to finish, perhaps evident from such an incineration-themed tracklist, which includes titles like “Keep a Burning” and “Fire Hungry.” Duncan’s oft-invisible cuts and seamless mixing demonstrate how disco’s cheesy excess can be caught and packed tight into a body-moving pressure cooker. The tracks don’t particularly vary from one another, but that’s hardly grounds for complaint, because you don’t really want them to, they roil and churn in a kind of ecstatic sweet-spot best experienced in a state of fluid overabundance.

The first half stays celebratory and boisterous, stretching out into a hairier affair on the back end, culminating in “Stone Waters,” a deep rock-disco rager that sounds like the extended jam on the Rolling Stones’ “Can You Hear Me Knocking” only more drummed up and drugged out. If How We Do slips through your fingers, rest assured that “Stone Waters” along with mix opener “Keep a Burnin” are also available as a 12-inch under Duncan’s C.O.M.B.I. alias. But do yourself a favor and don’t let this limited edition mix get away. There are some records within a particular genre that are potent enough to serve as gateway doses to the uninitiated—next time a friend professes a distaste for disco beats, spike their stereo with this and watch minds expand.

Published /
Wed / 15 Jul 2009Words /
William Rauscher

I like that “Stone Waters” cut you linked. “Cavernous” is a pretty cool descriptor for it, too as it has that deep echoing dubbishness that I catch in some of the funkier tribal-beat-based tracks of Ministry and such (“Breathe”, “So What”, “Thanx But No Thanks”, etc.).

Any record that is cavernous in sound is going to be awesome!

Edit : Just a heads up that my “Edit” post here has been “Edited” a few times. A few of the Edits were incorrect edits but now I’m happy to report that the incorrect edits are now correct edits.

Enjoy the edits my friends…

Here are a selection of my favourite edits.

The Reflex is easily one of the best when it comes to edits. He doesn’t really fuck with the source. He just tweaks the rhythm section, rearranges and extends all the best instrumental parts. His 12"s sell quick then it’s a case of shelling out big bucks for his stuff. If you’re DJing parties you WILL happily throw away the big bucks for The Reflex edits. Why? Because they’re all DOPE! Below are examples as to why The Reflex is one of the best in the game.

The Reflex - Burn The Disco Out - Michael Jackson Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNwX6s3s5jU

The Reflex - I Feel Good - James Brown Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUzPEOb8fCc

The Reflex - Rock The Casbah - The Clash Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TCoUWB6CFs4

The Reflex - Higher Ground - Stevie Wonder Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKOI5eO-XZg

Now a couple of cult classic edits from LA’s Cole Medina. Cole is one of the absolute dopest producers in LA’s House scene. When it comes to DJing they don’t come much funkier than the FUNKY Cole Medina. Now being a House DJ/Producer Cole tends to drop House music. But every now and again Cole treats the record buying public and DJs to his supreme Disco Edits. He’s a prime example of a producer so dope that he’s able to take a tune strong in cheese and turn it into an underground dancefloor bomb.

Cole Medina - Medina Loves Your Insides Out - Bee Gees Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kYeYgVl_R2I

Cole Medina - Medina’s Magic - Olivia Newton John Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXAXhlJj0Tg

Cole Medina - KC It’s Really You - Karen Carpenter Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHsEo_GjBp8

Next up is Greg Wilson. Greg is a legend here in the UK. If you like a band connected in any way to the Manchester scene then Greg probably had connections with them in one way or another. Greg was the first DJ to demonstrate to the UK public the art of mixing two records together.
I’ll start with a contemporary Wilson edit as it’s my wife’s favourite party record…

Greg Wilson - Gotta Keep Workin - Missy Elliott Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1YGW-nifhCY

Greg Wilson - Don’t Turn It Off - 40 Thieves Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWWOrl5Mp8

Todd Terje - Love Is The Drug - Roxy Music Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4xAuIkoFE

Todd Terje - Jolene - Dolly Parton Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkl36pu8aLY

You’ll LOVE this next one Pinny…
Todd Terje - Knightrider Theme - Glen Larson & Stu Phillips Edit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CvlNA8wPZps

Todd Terje - I’m Your Boogieman - KC & The Sunshine Band
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIwdW9BDhIY

And just because one of his 100% original creations was so damn awesome…

Todd Terje - Inspector Norse
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebjXsc0UjdQ

If anyone wants any of the above music and you can’t find it at your local music store…

www.discogs.com

I dig the Bee Gees

Is that the FUNKY Cole Medina?

I’m convinced that ToneLoc saw into the future and that yes…this indeed IS That Funky Cold Medina.
A trait people with these abilities have is that they tend to have slight inconsistencies with predictions such as different spellings etc

[image]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Black_Devil_Disco_Club_LP_cover.jpeg[/image]

essential listening

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I’ve never heard of it, but it is already my favorite record ever.

Did disco honestly really die or fall out of favor?

Seems to me like it just mutated into House with minor tweaks in its presentation and in its listenership.

I know that people like to imagine that their own generation is doin’ their own thing, and is qualitatively different from what happened in the mid-'70s, but…if the aims are still the same as the original movement there’s really no point in trying to re-brand it i.e. “post-disco” or whatever.

You have a good point, but it was my understanding that Al Jourgensen invented house music and that all those Detroit DJs just ripped him off.

I read that somewhere. [:)]

You have a good point, but it was my understanding that Al Jourgensen invented house music and that all those Detroit DJs just ripped him off.

I read that somewhere. [:)]

I’ve heard similar claims from Genesis P. Orridge about having invented Acid House…although s/he tends to change hi/r account of this constantly, in one bio GPO “pre-empted” house music with Psychic TV, in another one PTV is supposed to have had the first dance record with “acid” in the title.

If Gen did in fact “invent” acid house, then he needs to take full responsibility for providing a forum for [url https://youtu.be/Txq736EVa80]hilariously awful stuff like Tragic Error…it’s only fair, since GPO is always apologizing for Throbbing Gristle ‘opening the door’ for Whitehouse, early SPK etc.

From Wikipedia: “P-Orridge’s role is disputed by music journalist Simon Reynolds, who calls it a “self-serving myth”,[17] and by Psychic TV band member Fred Giannelli, who suggested that “Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit.” [18]”

Tell us how you really feel, Fred!

From Wikipedia: “P-Orridge’s role is disputed by music journalist Simon Reynolds, who calls it a “self-serving myth”,[17] and by Psychic TV band member Fred Giannelli, who suggested that “Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit.” [18]”

Tell us how you really feel, Fred!

Yes, Fred has been pretty sour for years about being uncredited for work on PTV, e.g. [url http://www.amazon.com/Towards-Thee-Infinite-Beat-Psychic/product-reviews/B000008JN5/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewpnt_rgt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=recent&filterByStar=critical&pageNumber=1]this Amazon review of “Infinite Beat” (dig the clever anagram he uses for his reviewer name).

Simon Reynolds is a bit of a C.U. Next Tuesday, being the epitome of the moralizing / crusading British music critic, but he too is probably correct on this score.

You have a good point, but it was my understanding that Al Jourgensen invented house music and that all those Detroit DJs just ripped him off.

I read that somewhere. [:)]

Haha he wishes he invented House music. I remember when I first became obsessed with Jourgensen’s music including all the off-shoots think it was the greatest stuff ever. Then discovering those original 12"s on Wax Trax seemed to solidify the assumption.
Then I grew a few years older and actually delved into records old & new and discovered that actually Al’s stuff is pretty weak. I still think the best thing that man ever did was Filth Pig. He will always rule in my book with that record.
However Al’s early stuff doesn’t come close to the game changers of the era.
An example…Juan Atkins. He should be familiar to Wax Trax fans. Atkins was a creator of Detroit Techno along with Derrick May & Kevin Saunderson (The Bellville 3) and together they were some of THE most important figures in the history of electronic music. You can learn a little more about them in the link below…

https://www.awakenings.com/gb/en/artists/the-belleville-three/471/

Some may have heard the phrase Derrick May is famous for “Techno - Kraftwerk with George Clinton jamming in an elevator”. That was how he described the Detroit Techno sound they created.

Jeff Mills, Underground Resistance the Bellville 3, Robert Hood, (Chicago’s) Virgo Four then the 2nd wave of Carl Craig, Moodymann and the 100s of other amazing producers putting Detroit on the map again after Motown faded.
Along with Detroit’s formidable Techno scene rising you also had the wonderful Chicago House which was born from the classic records being played in cult NYC nightclubs by guys like Larry Leve during the Disco golden era of the 70s…those records being played weren’t solely Disco by the way…anything that moved the crowd at The Loft whether it was Post Punk, Reggae, Pop or Disco was spun…there is actually a brilliant 12" series compiling all the records that were hits in the Loft…also cd comps.

Loft Classics 12"s & CDs
https://www.discogs.com/label/22804-Loft-Classics

For an absolute brilliant example of Al vs the rest in 1981 check this monster out. Regarded by many as the first Detroit Techno tune. This blew clubs up then and if you drop it today it STILL destroys.

A Number Of Names - Sharevari
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IeF0xTdHPfA

For an insight into the good old days check out this short Moodymann interview. Moody is the coolest cat on the planet and this video shows why…And Yo Pinny…if you get this far I’d be interested to know how cool you think Moodymann is in the awesome scale. I think he is a combination of Styles, The Fonz, James Brown and Hendrix with a dash of Richard Pryor.

Moodymann Interview…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r7ZyVPiUBbY

And did anyone catch the Charanjit Singh reissue a year or two back. It is regarded as the first Acid House record too. Seems to be a few of them floating about haha

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/may/10/charanjit-singh-acid-house-ten-ragas

[reply]From Wikipedia: “P-Orridge’s role is disputed by music journalist Simon Reynolds, who calls it a “self-serving myth”,[17] and by Psychic TV band member Fred Giannelli, who suggested that “Gen has made this claim so many times in interviews that he actually believes his own bullshit.” [18]”

Tell us how you really feel, Fred!

Yes, Fred has been pretty sour for years about being uncredited for work on PTV, e.g. [url http://www.amazon.com/Towards-Thee-Infinite-Beat-Psychic/product-reviews/B000008JN5/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_viewpnt_rgt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1&sortBy=recent&filterByStar=critical&pageNumber=1]this Amazon review of “Infinite Beat” (dig the clever anagram he uses for his reviewer name).

Simon Reynolds is a bit of a C.U. Next Tuesday, being the epitome of the moralizing / crusading British music critic, but he too is probably correct on this score.[/reply]

dude. this is the wax trax “fred” cd single roses song guy. cool. just made a connection there.

ps - i enjoy disco and dance music. it’s fun.

My favourite Disco tune…

Debbie Jacobs - High On Your Love
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4FPOnJUoU

The above Jacobs tune was the very first (Side-A) in the C.O.M.B.i Edits series. The original is just as dope though. Dr Dunks just made some extensions.

And I haven’t met a person yet who doesn’t bow down to the dope-ness of this classic…any time I put this on at a gathering people lit up.

Donna Summer - I Feel Love
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UzhbNqzEw6M

There’s only one version of I Feel Love, the Patrick Cowley remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTf0B-9laQ

And I’ve just ordered the reissue of this from Ron Hardy, up there with Frankie Knuckles for pioneering Chicago House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSpNvS5fa_E

There’s only one version of I Feel Love, the Patrick Cowley remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSTf0B-9laQ

And I’ve just ordered the reissue of this from Ron Hardy, up there with Frankie Knuckles for pioneering Chicago House:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSpNvS5fa_E

Man I’ve only just discovered Cowley and wow…what a talent. I’ve got the recent Muscle Up comp of his but have heard the earlier reissued comp and some of his early stuff which is fucking great. I haven’t heard his remix of I Feel Love but will check it tonight along with the other you pasted.