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I know that I tried to sell an extra ticket I had at the Revco/Ministry show a few years ago, and not even the scalpers would buy it off me. (the place was empty)
That’s too bad - RevCo kicked ass (and proved Al CAN concoct a “career spanning” setlist when he puts his mind to it).[/reply]
I ended up seeing the show, it was my friend that couldnt make it. I enjoyed Revco’s set so much more than Ministry. BSQ was the best way to open that up. All that was missing was Mr. Connelly.
I haven’t seen that level of discord on PA…maybe ever.
There are some people over there defending the set list, and basically telling the ones who are upset that Ministry owes us nothing…Al can do what he wants…go home and listen to Halloween over and over if you don’t like it, stop living in the past, etc. The problem is, Ministry does owe us something. The point of touring (aside from promoting new material and making money) is to give something back to the fans. The concert should be our payoff for all the albums, merchandise, and concert tickets we spend our money on. We indirectly support Al’s livelihood, and he should know by now how diverse his fan base is, and that all of his albums are liked by many. Al, stop with the ‘I do what I want, never look back, and don’t care what you think’ act, already. Surely, Angie has read some of the song requests on the PA - why not give that much back to the fans?
Concert tickets are getting too fucking expensive, and people just want their money’s worth. I’ve mentioned this before, but The Cure is currently knocking out 25-35 songs a night, touching every album they made in the process. That is a band rewarding its fans. I don’t expect anything pre-88 on this Ministry tour, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have some semblance of variety, and not ignore multiple albums in the set. I also don’t want Ministry to merely be a live hits jukebox like The Cult, but they can’t deliver such a narrow set for their finale, seriously. Why has he chosen to skip four entire albums from '88-on? I’ve been going to Ministry concerts for 20 years, and heard it all, but I still would like to hear some of those old songs today. What do people talk about when concerts are finished? “Wow, they played [this song]”, or “I can’t believe they didn’t play [that song]”. Most fans go in hopes of hearing at least some of the older material. There’s a reason people went nuts when they played “We Believe” in '03.
There’s no denying that the ‘press release’ for this tour was vague, at best. The fireworks would have started a lot sooner, had they’d announced that the main set was nothing but the Bush Trilogy. This current set list is the farthest thing from a ‘thank you’ to the fans. The supporters will say, “If you don’t like it, then don’t go”. Bullshit. I gave this band 20+ years as fan, and this is what I’m left with? Is it really so far-fetched to expect a retrospective set list with some surprises on a farewell tour? If it turns out that Al is saving some ‘oldies’ for the final Chicago shows, then I guess the rest of us get screwed, right?
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Shit, I was so stoked to see them finally but this is just bullshit! And Al isn’t even singing half the songs?! Me and all my high school buddies who used to sit around and watch ICYDFLSU and try to cover Thieves in our sad little punk band 15 years ago all got tickets and have been giddy as little girls for next week’s show. But this is more than an outrage, it’s the final let down. I am seriously considering selling my ticket and going to see X the following week instead - but I couldn’t in good conscious sell a ticket to see this crap.
Fuck GW and fuck Al!
I sure hope you are reading this, you lazy, lying deceitful motherfucker! I mean you Al.
[inline images.jpg]Mr. President, if you read this accidentally, well, sorry, but I just am really mad at “Ministry” - keep up the good work (well, better work than Al).
I’ve mentioned this before, but The Cure is currently knocking out 25-35 songs a night, touching every album they made in the process. That is a band rewarding its fans.
Upwards of 40 and 3.5+ hours at some shows. I just got my tickets for cleveland yesterday. they certainly do know how to treat their fans as you said.
Does Burton sing those 3 encore songs alone or together with Al?
We diss a band that we used to like for that exact reason. They USED to be good. We didn’t jump on the bandwagon after they released HOTM. And we are upset at the lack of respect we are given for all the money we spent on them back in the day. (When we had to go out and BUY the singles)
you are corrent that Al wont say shit about the crapness that is the current setlist. Doesn’t care what we think because he is too hard core for anyone.
“The fence isn’t for nostalgia but meant to keep people from fleeing after 13 straight Bush trilogy tunes. My bad, I initially predicited it would be 14.”
I was implying more that the fence better be there to protect Al from all the loyal fans full of liquor and rage as they find out they were totally ripped off.
Man, this whole thing as really pissed me off - here I was bragging to everyone about how I’m going to see Ministry’s final tour and all the awesome shit they will play from their “rich and provocative 30-year musical history.”
ARRRGGGGHHH!
Yes - you should sue.
I’ve seen dumber lawsuits!!!
Actually, if they misrepresented facts about the tour and fans relied on the false statements in deciding to buy tickets, well, it’s a pretty textbook example of at least negligent misrepresentation.
The press release says they will be playing (in addition to stuff from Last Sucker) “songs that revisit the band’s rich and provocative 30-year musical history”
NWO, Thieves and Just One Fix are hardly representative of Ministry’s history. 3 songs from 2 out of like 15 or so albums? Not even close to the advertisement’s claim.
You never know, someone just may try to pull it off…
Actually, if they misrepresented facts about the tour and fans relied on the false statements in deciding to buy tickets, well, it’s a pretty textbook example of at least negligent misrepresentation…
You never know, someone just may try to pull it off…
i think paul should buy a ticket and sue al [;)]
Go ahead… take the money and run. I don’t care anymore, just stick a fork in it already…
Hmm… a Steve Miller cover in the works for the Ministry camp?
This should be the first addition to ‘Cover Up part II’.
“This is not the mentally impaired Prongs - fuck! Those guys have spent years making a hobby of dissing a band they used to like ( hahahahahah ) and genuinely believe they are better than those who still enjoy, that is a sad mental disorder.”
I guess it’s just easier to post lazy generalizations, instead of thinking through his post. Occasional Al-bashing aside (because that never happens at PA), it’s mostly just people being honest about their feelings on this forum…not that I need to defend anyone. How do people not understand that some of us are going to be disappointed by the current set list?
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Man. I just… Like… FUCK, man.
Come on.
Just…
Man.
In totally unrelated news, my copy of Pink Anvil’s “Halloween Party” just came in.
Ahhh… A glimmer of hope in the face of suck that is currently Ministry…
That is an atrocious set list for a final tour show.
looks like they had the same exact set in seattle too.
man, I’m so glad I didn’t spend any money on a ticket.
Apparently, several members of the band have fallen ill, and the set list has been shortened as a direct result.
From the PA, here are links to an article and photos of the Calgary show:
Article
http://www.dragracecanada.com/hotzone/news/2008/March/08.asp
Gallery
http://www.dragracecanada.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=28247
Nice gallery. I see the look for Ministry now is other bands’ T-shirts- Sex Pistols (Al), Afflicted (Tommy), Napalm Death (Tony)… Sin is also wearing some sort of black T-shirt with a graphic on it, and I can’t find a photo that shows John’s shirt. Has Ministry worn band shirts on previous tours? I’m kind of curious to see what other bands Ministry is going to endorse… waiting for an old Wax Trax! band shirt to make an appearance. [:P]
Merch prices aren’t bad for Canada! On Skinny Puppy’s tour last year, the basic tour shirt was $35 because they had to pay fees on every item of merch they brought into the country, or some story like that. Too bad the RBG vinyl isn’t available on this tour, should’ve snagged one of those on the Masterbatour.
Didn’t Motley Crue used to put that black makeup line thing under their eyes? I’m just saying is all…
Didn’t Motley Crue used to put that black makeup line thing under their eyes? I’m just saying is all…
As did Killing Joke…
Wow, but no big suprise to me. Im kinda wondering why I bought tics. I live in Chicago and met Al when he was 22 ( I the same age) probibly one of those freaks wandering into Wax Trax! at 4 am. Its all kinda fuzzy. Ive seen every show , I know of to roll through town. Cocks as well. I know its gonna be a Bush bashing show ( it got old along time ago) . Oh well Ill be there to see my hero, one last time. l Im gonna go back to doing my paper work for my boring ass job, and thank God Im not at the EXIT or NEO like I would have been 25 years ago!..The Cure and Morrissey you must be kidding… !!