another short Raven ministry interview

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Ministry loudly voices anti-Bush message in songs
BY JACK W. HILL

Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006

No band of musicians has been as outspoken as Ministry regarding its contempt and visceral hatred of the Bush administration. Indeed, bassist Paul Raven scoffs at The Dixie Chicks and Neil Young for their comparative measured and tentative opposition to the ruling class.

“If you have to look to a bunch of crusty folk rockers to find your rebellion, you don’t have much in the first place,” Raven cackles from a phone somewhere outdoors in North Carolina, where the sounds of planes flying overhead could be heard. When asked if the government was trying to bomb Ministry into submission, Raven laughs.

“That’s the sound of your tax dollars at work, mate,” he says. “Lots of what gets sent to Iraq and Afghanistan leaves from here.”

Not exactly newcomers to the world of loud rock ’n’ roll, whether it’s called alternative or metal, Ministry took on the first George Bush on “Psalm 69” with N. W. O. The group released its latest CD, Rio Grande Blood, May 2. The album, a follow-up to the 2004 CD, Houses of the Mole, itself another assault on Bush and war, takes some Bush quotes and re-assembles them to have the president saying “I’m a dangerous, dangerous man” on the title track; while on “Lies Lies Lies” a voice asks “Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center ?”

The album’s cover depicts President Bush in a pose akin to a crucified Jesus Christ, standing in an oil drum, surrounded by Stealth bombers and oil pumps in the background. Some of the other song titles on the album are “Fear Is Big Business” and “The Great Satan,” which was nominated for a Grammy Award in the Best Metal Performance category. (The group was also nominated in 1993 and won the award in 2000. )

Rankling the conventional wisdom and the powers-thatbe does not rattle Raven and the leader of Ministry, Al Jourgensen.

“We get a little bit of trouble, you could say,” Raven says. “It’s interesting to see, just the tax man. The government has bigger fish to fry and slightly larger problems these days than the likes of us. I’ve always been a little bit dodgy, as they say in England, where I’m from. I moved here in 1988, and I pay my taxes. I have the right to voice my opinion.

“ Everyone should be concerned about their civil liberties, because very soon, it will be like 1984, with cameras everywhere, and no one will be able to move around without raising suspicion, if you do anything slightly out of the ordinary.”

Raven does mention one incident that could make a person paranoid about being set up. The situation had parallels with the current plot line of the Doonesbury comic strip.

“When we played in Sacramento [May 24 ], someone we hardly knew came on the stage,” he says, “and he set a flag on fire. That goes against what we believe. We love this country, and even though I’m not a citizen, we didn’t want that going on. All that’s just another symptom of a larger problem, how we’re living in Hitler’s version of freedom, and I will not stop complaining about it.

“ I grew up in England and I’ve never been able to separate music from politics. I was in the band Killing Joke in 1977, when we had punk rock and rebellion because of that a ***** e, Thatcher. Now we get asked about Bush-bashing and making negative comments, and I say it’s just that a big part of rock and roll is to be the CNN of the street, since you won ’ t get any real news off the TV, or even from such bands as Green Day.

“ What the Bush clan has done is like in Star Wars, a battle between good and evil. As much as I dislike the French, I have to admire them for their spirit of revolution. In this country, everything is a climate of fear, where money hungry worms are in charge. I’d like there to be guillotines set up outside the White House to deal with all of them.”

The other members of Ministry are guitarists Tommy Victor and Mike Scaccia, keyboardist John Bechdel and drummer Joey Jordison, also of Slipknot. The Web site for the band is www. ministrymusic. org.

Jourgensen also is in one of the opening acts, Revolting Cocks. That band’s latest CD, Cocked and Loaded, was released March 7, and featured guest spots by Jello Biafra, Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top and Rick Nielsen and Robin Zander of Cheap Trick.

“I think the next Ministry CD, The Last Sucker, will be a double disc and we’ll put Min istry to bed after that,” Raven predicts. “We’ll have our variation of the painting of The Last Supper, and all the little Nazis up there that work for Bush, plus b *** h Ann Coulter. She’ll be on that cover.”

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It’s nice to see a review from someone completely unfamiliar with the music.
Editor: “Hey, there’s some band called Ministry playing here soon. Is that some kind of religious group?”
Writer - dicking around on Google: “No, apparently they’re a METAL band, and have some grievances with our current administration. I should bring that up. A LOT.”
“Perhaps I’ll pretend that I’ve ever heard of them while I’m at it.”
Douche.

Double disc, eh?
I’d like to see one metal/industrial-style disc, and one that’s got more offbeat stuff, like “Khyber Pass.”
I’ll be patiently awaiting Al’s call so I can pass that advice along to him.

A double disc?!?

Scary.

Although I’d love to see this happen just for shits. I suppose if he did a double disc he’d HAVE to throw a few wierd ones in there…

well, band members are doing the interviews… is this more proof of the big Horse Al’s riding??
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grmpysmrf

I think it would be pretty hard to fill out a double album devoted entirely to bashing Bush…especially when you’ve already released two albums on the subject…which can only be a good thing I guess…

dont you worry, al has proven his worth of churning out enough material to fit on 2 cds full with bush bashing. all i can say is “meh”.

I’m glad its getting boring for the members of this board to bash Al for his Bush-bashing. Lets all bash him now for doing heroin again! [laugh]

I’m glad its getting boring for the members of this board to bash Al for his Bush-bashing. Lets all bash him now for doing heroin again! [laugh]

If he’s doing heroin again he deserves a little bashing. It’s not an easy drug to stay off of. Very high recurrence rate. I wish him luck.
I also wish he’d shut up about Bush, but I’d rather he be clean and a political broken record than smacked out useless.

I remember watching ICUDFLSU home video at the very end someone is burning are stars and stripes. Maybe raven should watch that video with Al. I don’t understand why raven did this interview at all. Just stick to playing bass guitar raven. Paul Barker is the king of silence. Is Barker on a missing person’s list or something these days??? A double disc by ministry sounds like a good idea. 1 disc full of songs and the other disc all instrumentals or experiemental stuff (hoping).[cool]

Aging rock stars need to go out in a blaze of drug induced “glory” rather than linger on continually producing bad music like the Stones. As the saying goes, it’s better to burn out than fade away.

I sure hope you’re being sarcastic.

'88 through '92 was the golden age.

Nope. Try '96 through '03

Filth Pig —> Dark Side of the Spoon —> Animositisomina

Pure gold !!!

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I was in the band Killing Joke in 1977, when we had punk rock and rebellion because of that a ***** e, Thatcher.

That explains why Al and Raven get along so well – they’re both revisionists! Last I knew, Raven joined Killing Joke in 1982. But I guess “1977” sounds cooler than “1982.” Just like it sounds cooler for Al to claim that Paul was “just a fuckin’ bass player” rather than acknowledge Paul’s important creative contributions to the Ministry of yore.

I’m offically tired of these guys.

Hows a double album going to affect a final tour, you would like to think they would play just a few more songs of their older material than they did this tour plus any new songs, how long of a set would be feasable?

I wasn’t joking about lingering on continually producing bad music like the Stones though. At some point it’s time to hang it up. Ozzy, The Stones, The Who, Kiss, Aerosmith etc. they’ve faded away long ago yet resurface time and again and foist a turd upon the public.

There’s this weird thing where entertainers aren’t allowed to retire. Most people hit their 60s and they start thinking of moving to Florida, taking up gardening, etc. but with people in the entertainment industry it’s “when’s your next album (or movie or whatever) coming out? When are you touring again?” It’s like the public doesn’t really LET them end their careers on a good note.

There’s this weird thing where entertainers aren’t allowed to retire. Most people hit their 60s and they start thinking of moving to Florida, taking up gardening, etc. but with people in the entertainment industry it’s “when’s your next album (or movie or whatever) coming out? When are you touring again?” It’s like the public doesn’t really LET them end their careers on a good note.

Well not only that there are also financial issues as well.

Dude, the Rolling Stones don’t need any more money.

Hows a double album going to affect a final tour, you would like to think they would play just a few more songs of their older material than they did this tour plus any new songs, how long of a set would be feasable?

It’ll probably be a disc of new thrash material, and a disc of crappy remixes of said new thrash material, and the live shows will be comprised mainly of the new thrash material plus NWO, Just One Fix, Thieves, Psalm 69, and So What. After two albums and two tours on autopilot, and a new “Ministry” made up mainly of unimaginative metallers, do you really think Al’s gonna throw us a welcome creative curveball?

Please Al – prove me wrong here.

Al is 48. Thats not too old for a rock musician yet. Hell, there are people who are around 60 who are still playing top-notch shows (Dio, Ian Anderson, Alice Cooper).

Al is 48. Thats not too old for a rock musician yet. Hell, there are people who are around 60 who are still playing top-notch shows (Dio, Ian Anderson, Alice Cooper).

Dude! Al’s body is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay older than that. drugs were not kind to that guy. if you look at the sphinctour DVD Compared to now, it would appear al has aged 30 years rather than the 10 that have passed.
Late,
grmpysmrf