Albini vs Jourgensen

He did Hootie??!!

He did Hootie??!!

You get the torches.
I’ll get the pitchforks.

Guy’s gotta eat. Al working with Anthrax and the Chili Peppers doesn’t mean I gotta listen to it.

That’s what’s pissed me off about Albini. Being so fucking opinionated and then doing a record for Bush. For fucking Bush. If there ever was a shitty, rip-off, cover band with nothing original to offer it was Bush. And he also produced for the band they so desperately tried to emulate.

So, I don’t take his bullshit reasoning seriously. I just like the way records he works on tend to sound.

[reply][reply]Dave Navarro ruined every band he was in.

He also loses points for dating Alyssa “Bitchface” Milano.[/reply]

Huh? Loses points? I would drink her douche water and ask for seconds…I’ve had a boner for her for decades!!![/reply]

Seriously. Nobody loses points for dating Alyssa Milano. She immediately gives you a +10 just for briefly glancing at you. +50 for even acknowledging your existence and muttering something to you. You’ve won the game when she dates your sorry ass. That was the entire quest anyway.

There’s a movie where she shows her tits. I just googled the pics, and I’ve seen a clip from it, and appears Tia Carrere starts lezing out with her! Tits are ok.

Albini’s not a producer. He very accurately captures the sound of what a band sounds like live in the studio. He knows the right types of mics to use for the amps, the vocals, everything.

If a band can’t play very well then that’s not his problem: he captures what they sound like.

I read somewhere he generally won’t discriminate regarding who he records, as long as they are a hardworking band he will pretty much record them. It’s his job. Hootie and Bush would have been charged the same amount as if I or you had a band and saved up the cash for his services. He is not expensive and has an awesome cv.

If you’re a good band and want an honest recording I can’t think of anyone better.

If you would rather DI a shitty drum machine, or use a shitty computer program and layer up sounds which detract from a “real” band then Albini’s not for you. Keep in mind I like (most of) Ministry’s* approach - record something unrealistic and then figure out how to play it, just as much as hearing a record of a band that already has pre-written tunes that the band has mastered before playing them in the studio.

I like a lot of what I’ve heard of Big Black, Shellac. Really fun music.

It’s understandable how Albini responded the way he did when asked if he was influenced by Ministry, considering Abini has a very fixed perception and understanding of what music should be. I think his opinions are wrong and right at the same time. I wouldn’t change his or Ministry’s contributions to music, both have (in one case had) good points.

Anyway, got a good live band and want to capture its sound accurately? Get Albini. Then get the result pressed to vinyl. yum.

THIS:

… Made a bad movie GREAT.

This thread is going places.

NOOOOOO!!! NOT DOUBLE DRAGON!!! I liked the games (especially the one with Battletoads), and was a huge fan of the cartoon. This movie was nothing like either. For starters, Jimmy Lee was a total badass in the cartoon. Shadow Master looked hella evil in it as well, and Abobo (at least in Battletoads/Double Dragon) was a huge black dude, NOT A FUCKING RETARDED MUTANT!!! Marian (Milano’s character) also wasn’t accurate to the cartoon, but her hotness makes up for it. I actually prefer her Marian than a ginger cop.

Double Dragon isn’t really a great game to make a movie out of, and while the DD movie isn’t a very good one, it’s a good adaptation/reimagining of a video game. (See Super Mario Bros. for a similar “Godawful movie but kind of better than directly translating the game to film” scenario. I actually really like that one, hahah.)

I bet Steve Albini approves of Alyssa Milano.

I think the movie you’re all looking for (or should be looking for) is called POISON IVY.

Albini’s not a producer. He very accurately captures the sound of what a band sounds like live in the studio. He knows the right types of mics to use for the amps, the vocals, everything.

So, he’s a producer.

[reply]Albini’s not a producer. He very accurately captures the sound of what a band sounds like live in the studio. He knows the right types of mics to use for the amps, the vocals, everything.

So, he’s a producer.[/reply]

He’s more an engineer when he works, if anyone produces anything it’s the band.

An album doesn’t have to have a producer if the album is already written and needs no artistic or aesthetic input from a third party. Albini doesn’t influence the band in the way a producer does.

If for example Trent Reznor produces MM, it’s possible to hear it without prior knowledge of his involvement and say “if Trent Reznor didn’t produce this then someone is copying him”. TR’s very distinctive and I’ve never heard him successfully be copied by anyone else. Even though I don’t like it, Antichrist Superstar sounds stylistically like TR and if I hear the album it’s cool to hear what he’s done with it.

but if Albini engineers a record his only mark is that he is an exceptional engineer, which technically should be the standard. It’s basically a faceless job that if done correctly, the result should be invisible - I don’t know any other way to explain it but what he does is distinctly different from being a producer. Sorry if this post is quite long with the same thing being repeated, not trying to be patronizing.

I think the movie you’re all looking for (or should be looking for) is called POISON IVY.

Then it would be Poison Ivy 2. Drew Barrymore was the chick in the first one going after old ass Tom Skirret. Who ever thought the guy who played Cheech’s brother Strawberry in Up In Smoke would go on to perv with Drew Barrymore.

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HAHA!!! Mad props, Dude!

I bet Steve Albini is an ass to listen to music around lol. Can you imagine it? Probably one of those annoying biased types,picky about everything.

Embrace the Vampire is the movie with the greatest Milano tit shot…and no that isn’t Tia Carrera making out with her just an actress who resembles her…

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/td90c/i_am_steve_albini_ask_me_anything/

My fav. is the one about Al Jourgensen:

Q: you’ve ridiculed Al Jourgenson as a “producer”, but what do you think of his work as a musician?

Steve_Albini: Lame derivative bullshit in all its incarnations. Precisely what he was imitating changed over the years, but whether it was Depeche Mode, Killing Joke or Slayer it was pretty much always bullshit.

Also found this:

Head Of David “Dustbowl” LP: The original artwork for this album said ”Dustbowel,” which I quite liked, even when I found out it was a mistake. My involvement here was limited to remixing a record that was fine before I touched it and got no better for the effort. I also had to endure the presence of Justin Pile, HOD’s measly drummer, who spent long hours bemoaning the state of his hemorrhoids, playing with his dreadlocks and eating greasy vegetarian food (the better to fart you with, grandma) — the turd.Fee: about $500, I think

Albini is a shitty engineer who’s antiquated ideas have become more and more irrelevant. I like big black despite of the shitty engineering and production. His mixing is so awful when Nirvana did In Utero the label insisted they at least have a real mixer mix the two singles. His engineering and mixing always sounds flat and dull. It’s his signature sound.

I remember reading Our band could be Your life, or whatever the title of that book is, and thought I saw a negative comment about Ministry by him in it…

My favorite question to Albini in that AMA, was about the political correctness of the band name Rapeman (I’ll attach an image or link it later).
Albini had a pretty lame response. [reply]

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Albini is a whiny little bitch who is jealous that the whole world is better than him at pretty much everything.

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