$16,400,000,000,000.00

$16,400,000,000,000.00 – That’s what the US National Debt looks like if you write it out in actual numeric dollar form. I had to take pause to even figure out how many zeros and commas it even needed.

When they mention it on the news headlines they usually write it as $16.4 Trillion because that is easier to fit in text and also it doesn’t make people instantly crap their pants. And you still can’t really wrap your head around it, can you? Well, I was playing with it a little bit to see if I could put it into terms of reality that people like myself can come to terms with.

If you divide $16.4 Trillion by 300 Million (the rough population of the US) you get about $54,000.00 per person. Now, mind you that’s using ALL people (infants, elderly, handicapped, incarcerated, etc.), so that’s kind of a stupid figure to even use, but if we just wanted to make a head charge right now to make this thing go away, that’s what it would be.

So, let’s say about half of our population is working age (150 Million), but now we also have to figure unemployment. I’m going to use the U6 Umemployment figure for the US (this means that people that have stopped “actively trying” to find work and those that are picking up marginal part time gigs to sort of scrape by are also counted). So, we got about 127 Million of us in the arena now.

How much is the per-head cost now? $129,000.00 EACH. I’m not even “struggling” financially, but I certainly don’t have that lying around. That will buy you a decent house in many parts of America.

Of that 127 Million, how many are at or near the poverty line? Who is barely squeeking by? Who’s heading into foreclosure because they made poor decisions or were a “victim” of the housing crisis?

Who’s going to pay this?

No one. That’s who. It’s unpayable. We are unable to pay our debt now and we are unable to pay it EVER. So what do we do? Well, we do what we always do. We take responsible actions in Washington and RAISE THE DEBT CEILING. This means that we say, “We can’t pay our bills, so let’s borrow some more money which we can’t pay back.” You know that guy that has $20K in credit card bills so he takes out another credit card . . .

Our ratings a year or two back on some government bonds and stuff dropped from an A to an A minus. I’m honestly amazed that we even have that. Our credit rating as a nation should be F minus minus.

This is NOT an attack on any political party as I don’t think it is a Republican or Democrat problem. It’s just an idiot problem.

Pretty soon the dollar is going to be worth about 1 cent. So, I’m not sure how we’re going to pay that debt ourselves when a loaf of bread will soon cost $4000 dollars.

Basically, we’re all going to collapse into oblivion.

The end.

PS: The federal prime interest rate right now is 3.25% (don’t ask me what that means, by the way). So, if that debt is being charged interest by our lenders at even this low nominal percentage, what is the ANNUAL and DAILY INTEREST ACCUMULATED?

Yearly interest = $533 Billion
Daily interest = $1.46 Billion

Agreed. Hang on a enjoy the ride.
Look @ us go!

Who’s going to pay this?

better question would be “what did we get for it?”

No one. That’s who. It’s unpayable. We are unable to pay our debt now and we are unable to pay it EVER

Well, everyone said the same thing when the Reagan raised the debt ceiling 20 times but then we were able to knock a sizeable chunk out of it during the Clinton administration.

But then W came along raided the treasury of its surplus and then raised the debt ceiling 7 times with blank check after blank check from the republican congress… Will we be able to pay it down? Who knows but not any time soon that’s for sure!
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grmpysmrf

Well, everyone said the same thing when the Reagan raised the debt ceiling 20 times but then we were able to knock a sizeable chunk out of it during the Clinton administration.

But then W came along raided the treasury of its surplus and then raised the debt ceiling 7 times with blank check after blank check from the republican congress… Will we be able to pay it down? Who knows but not any time soon that’s for sure!
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grmpysmrf

Please keep the partisan bullcrap out of this thread. I’m not talking about politics here. I’m talking about economics and basic common sense.

Also, because I was curious, I checked historical figures for the last 100 years. There were SOME points in the last 100 years where we did REDUCE the debt. The were as follows . . .

1919 - 1930 (steady decline every year, actually)
** This is the only sustained period of paydown we’ve had. The rest noted here are just single year drops (however slight) . . .
1946 - 1947
1950 - 1951
1956 - 1957

Since 1957 there has been ZERO cases of debt reduction.

Again, I don’t give a crap about partisan politics. But if you are curious for yourself to see which presidents added how much (as if we can blame the presidents singularly) here’s a link for ya . . .

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

We should make some lazy policy prescriptions that will never be followed up on to put the public at ease!

We should make some lazy policy prescriptions that will never be followed up on to put the public at ease!

That will make me feel better, thanks.
Can we also throw in some cute fancy buzzwords to give a good impression that the experts know what they are talking about?

Say things like, “Economic resiliency” and “proactive financial action” or “cyclical fluctuations” or something. Something that is vague and meaningless but that we could babble on aimlessly on for 20 minutes if they get their backs up against the wall.

But if you are curious for yourself to see which presidents added how much (as if we can blame the presidents singularly) here’s a link for ya . . .

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Thanks will check this out now…
That’s only for the last 10 years I can’t find anything that goes back the last 100. at least not on the .gov site
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grmpysmrf

[reply] But if you are curious for yourself to see which presidents added how much (as if we can blame the presidents singularly) here’s a link for ya . . .

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Thanks will check this out now…
That’s only for the last 10 years I can’t find anything that goes back the last 100. at least not on the .gov site
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grmpysmrf[/reply]

Same site.
It’s broken down by time sections.http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt.htm

I found this in a fortune cookie once: “Blessed are the children for they shall inherit the national debt.” No joke.

Pic or it didn’t happen.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Mine is long gone, but here is another one I found on the web.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/firebookduo/32592737/

I think I got that same fortune once.

I’ve talked about this US National debt, with various friends from around the world. For many Americans the concern is the European and Asian debt making it overseas. However, when I talk with my friends in Europe and Asia we come to the same conclusion: Americas debt caused the European and Asian debt.

Americas debt caused the European and European debt.

How so?

Trillion Dollar Coin?

[reply]Americas debt caused the European and European debt.

How so?[/reply]
Good eye didn’t catch my mistake. Thanks Gunnar.
I meant America is responsible for both the Asian and European debt.

America is essentially a business. America receives and distributes exports and imports to investors and global company branches based in European and Asian countries. This can be seen in just about any industry, whether that be entertainment, technology, transportation, security, and/or etc.

America is essentially a business. America receives and distributes exports and imports to investors and global company branches based in European and Asian countries. This can be seen in just about any industry, whether that be entertainment, technology, transportation, security, and/or etc.

I know that.
That just states the obvious trade relationships. I’m just asking how our debt supposedly is the cause of the Asian and European debt.

[reply]
America is essentially a business. America receives and distributes exports and imports to investors and global company branches based in European and Asian countries. This can be seen in just about any industry, whether that be entertainment, technology, transportation, security, and/or etc.

I know that.
That just states the obvious trade relationships. I’m just asking how our debt supposedly is the cause of the Asian and European debt.[/reply]

Think of it like an implosion. Our country’s government borrows and allows borrowing from the Asian and European governments. Our technology is also implemented and designed by Americans. We don’t pay back and ask for more they give us more gaining debt too. Why else would China not go to War with us over this debt? It’s because we are an asset to them, as much as they are to us.