i wonder if paul & al would agree about the shitty sound. this record would sound SO much better if they mixed it properly. it’s sad, really.
remaster?
Yeah of all the records, I’d most want this one remastered. Because the mix literally ruins a good record. Whereas with ‘LORAH’ for instance yeah it’s a bit dated sounding but it IS a bit dated…
Regarding Al and Paul, the impression I get is that they don’t even listen to their albums, probably this one in particular because it wasn’t a “classic”. I know Max Brody confirmed that Al mixed the record.
The Ministry sound had become so inbred by that point…when I play stuff from ‘DSOTS’ or ‘Animositisomina’ for my bandmates, their comments are always revolving around how the songs and ideas are interesting but the mix is awful and they can’t bare it…
Dark Side sounds really good to me but Animositinnyomina is such a step down as regards as production. With exception of Unsung, Lockbox and Impossible the songs are fairly basic, even by Ministry standards (like b-sides or rejects from Filth Pig or Dark Side, as some of you have suggested).
It seems good production quality alluded Ministry from the turn of the century. I’ve a feeling that Paul would have had to have had a hand in the how the Animos sound came out, as he was more into the production side (was he not?) His own stuff since hasn’t had the best sound quality either so not sure if just Al can be blamed for the shitty quality of Animos. What I don’t get is that, bar becoming broke and not being able to afford the technology you previously enjoyed, how can you regress as far as production quality goes? Shouldn’t you at least be able to maintain what you have?
Anyway Animositisomina was played nearly day in day out for about 9 months that year. I became quite addicted to it without becoming sick of it. I now look back on it and think it was decent but is not in the same league as the “top 5”.
As much of it was first beaten out not too long after Dark Side it seems that there wasn’t much left in the tank as regards AlPaul by 2003. If the album didn’t happen then could a better album have surfaced by '04 or '05? I’ve a feeling this would not have been the case, even if Paul had wanted to stay on and Al didn’t sink as far as he did.
Bar an odd moment here and there in mid 00s albums Al has not had it in him to pull off a solid overall effort. He has been a spent “force” for much of the last decade. Paul’s two albums had their moments but don’t rank with the glory days.
I remember an interview with Paul from around this time and someone asked why it sounded that way and he got defensive. “Why is there this rule that everything has to be mixed the exact same way?”
I almost feel like it was an experiment (like the weird drums on Metallica’s St. Anger) that failed.
its not that remaster is needed, fukkin full remix is needed… drums are just sounding like nothing, etc. oh well.
despite having quite “bsidey” feel, to me its their last good record and i rate it higher than anything al & barkerless ministry did afterwards.
“dead practice” aka “lockbox” can actually be heard in the movie. and its a main riff of “lockbox”.
regarding the mix, btw, max brody said in reply to the “whats up with album mix” question that “mixing is all al”, so … tinnitus al strikes again!
its fine to experiment with sounds and mixes and shit
however when whole album is fukkin brickwall with fuckloads of digital clipping and when you play it you see peak meter is sitting constantly on 0.0dB… that’s kinda wrong.
animositisomina was one of the main offenders of this, until metallica was champion of loudness war with death magnetic.
I don’t really have an issue with the mix. I have the CD & 5.1. If you have a good system, you can get where you need to be. I still love this release. BTW, I did see this tour…my pics here:
Burning Inside in '03?!?! I had heard somewhere that they stopped playing it after the Mind tour cuz fans got too rowdy when it was played. I know it wasn’t on the setlist for the SF show.
I wrote a review but I guess the site only goes back to 2005. I’ll see if I can find a copy I made.
Thinking back, I was right up front when Ogre came out. Burning Inside was a dual vocal effort…it was awesome. Halfway through Supernaut, Al got pissed off and Ogre finished it. I also think this was the tour where Al was having guitar issues and flipped out. He threw the guitar to the tech and was cursing him out…twice. Fun times for sure!
Yeah of all the records, I’d most want this one remastered. Because the mix literally ruins a good record. Whereas with ‘LORAH’ for instance yeah it’s a bit dated sounding but it IS a bit dated…
Regarding Al and Paul, the impression I get is that they don’t even listen to their albums, probably this one in particular because it wasn’t a “classic”. I know Max Brody confirmed that Al mixed the record.
The Ministry sound had become so inbred by that point…when I play stuff from ‘DSOTS’ or ‘Animositisomina’ for my bandmates, their comments are always revolving around how the songs and ideas are interesting but the mix is awful and they can’t bare it…
i think the DSOTS album sounds great! it’s a different sound, but it’s not unpleasant (at least in my opinion) to your ears.
this may sound odd, but my two of my favorite sounding records are pinkerton by weezer and self-titled album by system of a down. i love that raw sound.
I remember an interview with Paul from around this time and someone asked why it sounded that way and he got defensive. “Why is there this rule that everything has to be mixed the exact same way?”
I almost feel like it was an experiment (like the weird drums on Metallica’s St. Anger) that failed.
as a drummer, i actually liked the snare on st anger. that metallic clang was a nice change. although i’ve pretty much only heard the singles (not a metallica fan), so i’m not really in a position to judge. i feel as if we’ve already talked about this in another thread lol.
[reply]Yeah of all the records, I’d most want this one remastered. Because the mix literally ruins a good record. Whereas with ‘LORAH’ for instance yeah it’s a bit dated sounding but it IS a bit dated…
Regarding Al and Paul, the impression I get is that they don’t even listen to their albums, probably this one in particular because it wasn’t a “classic”. I know Max Brody confirmed that Al mixed the record.
The Ministry sound had become so inbred by that point…when I play stuff from ‘DSOTS’ or ‘Animositisomina’ for my bandmates, their comments are always revolving around how the songs and ideas are interesting but the mix is awful and they can’t bare it…
i think the DSOTS album sounds great! it’s a different sound, but it’s not unpleasant (at least in my opinion) to your ears. [/reply]
No don’t get me wrong I love it too but it sounds shite to most ears. Ministry’s mixing sound was really unique, and I think really inbred in a weird way.
I mean they were producing their own shit all along it just took on a sound that’s really different from most bands, and I think really adds to the inaccessibility to most people, even fans of other heavy music.
