sentence reduced to life in prison for NOT killing a cop… now, if he can get a new trial, justice will be fully served.
Late,
grmpysmrf
What makes you so sure he didn’t kill the cop?
What makes you so sure he didn’t kill the cop?
there has been a LOT of talk about this for years, but that aside, the issue isnt so much (for me) if he did or didnt kill the cop, but if he was acting in self defense or not.
i honestly believe that if he DID kill this cop, which is what was alleged and then assumed, that it was in self defense, and he he did it to keep himself safe.
that being said, between this and the WM3 being let out by admitting guilt i must say, it seems like the government is doing its damndest to let the right things happen the wrong way…
it seems like the government is doing its damndest to let the right things happen the wrong way…
HAHA!!! That’s pretty good.
Seriously, though . . . and I’m guessing you’re more up to speed on this case than the average Joe . . . is there any compelling EVIDENCE that the dude is innocent (and yes, I know that the justice system is supposed to presume innocence first) of the crime?
I honestly don’t know much about the case at all except short summaries of stuff that I’d read, but it seems that people that are really passionate about freeing the dude are basing their opinions on something Jello Biafra told them or because the Rage Against the Machine guy wore a cool t-shirt or something.
It’s undisputed that MUMIA’S gun killed a cop, right? Don’t get me wrong, I’m well aware of the injustices and racism that exists in our so-called justice system, but I just can’t muster up a whole lot of passion on this. Seems like “best-case-scenario” the dude was messing around, doin’ stuff he shouldn’t be doin’ and a white cop got killed.
I just don’t understand sometimes how certain cases become rally points. The WM3 thing seemed a little more easy for me to grasp, but this one . . . maybe it’s because I’m just a hard ass when it comes to thugs and bastards. I don’t really care that the dude was black. It just seemed he was a schmuck and his schmuckiness either caused or contributed to the death of a man (who may’ve also been a schmuck).
Anyway, I’m open minded about the case. I guess my question was more to Grumpy specifically since he’s claiming there’s “1/2 Justice” now. How’s he measuring that?
It’s best to stick with innocent until proven guilty all the time. Even though the law can still fuck you over anyway, like what happened to that guy who got executed (or should I say murdered) in Georgia recently
Just readin’ the Wiki summary of the case tonight . . . There were like 3 or 4 EYEWITNESSES that saw the dude blast the cop. Everything that I’ve read (which aint much) it seems he’s guilty. And obviously it seemed that way to the jury (who were allowed much MORE access and information about the case.)
And yeah . . . I was trying to remember what that other case was that we were talkin’ about maybe 2 months back. I’m sure Hacksaw remembers.
of the 4 people that gave testimony the main one has recanted his testimony (the taxi driver supposedly parked behind Mumia’s parked Taxi…) another one (a prostitute-also accused of being a police informant) cannot be found and has been declared dead by the state of new jersey. She also claims she saw the taxi behind Mumia’s but in all of the police evidence photos there is no Second taxi.
Faulkner was shot and killed with a .44 caliber. Mumia’s gun was a .38 (if I remember correctly a .44 was standard police issue at the time. and the bullet didn’t come from faulkner’s own gun so there had to be a third gun)
someone has come forward as recently as 1999 and claimed he and another fellow killed faulkner as part of a contract killing because Faulkner wasn’t a dirty cop and was threatening to expose the dirty cops on the Philly police force.
The judge was heard saying by the court stenographer “I’m gonna help them fry this Nigger” She went on record with this factoid to the higher authorities. The judge denied it and it went no where.
and then there is this…
from Wiki…
In 2010, investigative journalists performed a series of tests that produced results inconsistent with the case against Abu-Jamal. Dave Lindorff and Linn Washington reproduced the shooting and showed that the shots which missed should have produced marks visible on the pavement. An expert photo analyst found no such marks visible in the highest-available-quality photo of the part of the crime scene where the body was found. A ballistics expert medical examiner said that the idea that police could have failed to recognise such marks at the crime scene was “absolute nonsense”. Abu-Jamal’s lawyer said that the results constituted "extraordinarily important new evidence that establishes clearly that the prosecutor and the Philadelphia Police Department were engaged in presenting knowingly false testimony".
of all of these snippets this last one above is the most compelling for me because these people are experts in their field, which doesn’t really mean much on the sruface, but when you put it in the perspective that these guys are risking their reputations and their livelihoods to stick their neck out for some dude who is guilty all along doesn’t make much sense.
There are other little bits here and there but these are the most important in my mind
Late,
grmpysmrf
troy davis was the other one we were talking about.
but this is the same issue here, the problem is that even if he DID kill the cop, even if that happened, the police didnt do this correctly, and we have laws in place for police so that things like this dont happen, but when the polie lie, no one can stop them. in all reality, forget the dead cop, forget all of that, the injustice here that CAN be stopped (because the supposed injustice of the cops death cant be reversed) is that the police clearly lied, and witnesses were forced to lie as well. its JUST LIKE the troy davis case.
troy davis was the other one we were talking about.
That’s right. Thank you!
Eye-witness accounts are the worst.
At least three independent sources have to be corroborated to establish a fact.