I’m making this it’s own thread cause I don’t want to be seen as disrespecting the Genesis RIP thread.
I don’t understand this bit of society at all.
In the instance of Genesis when someone refers to genesis as “him” or “he” Who says they’re referring to his gender and not his sex? “He” and “him” are still correct if they’re referring to his sex. Even if he hacked his junk off or turned his junk inside out to try to resemble a vagina it’s not really a vagina, it’s a mutilated penis. Just because you want something doesn’t mean it’s possible. It just seems like pretend on an extremely unhealthy level.
This really seems like an excuse to get mad at people and cry discrimination when there is more than enough discrimination to go around for everyone without adding make believe.
I’ve got a former student (S/He’s a senior now) that wanders the campus in skirts and dresses, really bad make-up and a bra that has boobies built in (Even though not all women have boobs or wear makeup). I don’t dare ask, “what makes you a girl now? Just cause you wear girl clothes and wear make-up? or what?” S/He looks nothing like a woman, thankfully the other students don’t make fun of him/her.
It seems to me there is more to gender than just appearance and behavior/acting/pretending.
Even worse I don’t see this working out for biological women in any way.
Biological men who are now women can play for the WNBA but good luck finding a biological woman who is now a man play in the NBA. Some CEOs can now claim to be a woman and now all the sudden the pay gap doesn’t exist…
Seems like a power grab for biological men to take even more from biological women.
I’m sure there are others out there that want to know too.
I know, I know, I have to turn in my “liberal card” just for asking but I truly don’t get it. And I think it sucks that you can’t even ask. I wanna be supportive but I can’t do it blindly. Can someone please try to explain it because I really don’t understand.
Look if you want me to call you a girl and you want to walk around in women’s clothing, I’m fine with that. You have the freedom to do so without being harassed. But I’d like to know why. For biological women to dress and act like a man, that’s not going to erase the fact that she’s likely to face more discrimination and earn far less than a biological man. It’s not the label that’s doing the damage.
I honestly don’t understand this either. I’m not a homophobe, I’m a liberal “live and let live” guy. That having been said, unless you’re a close friend – and even then – I don’t need you to explicitly break down the details of your sex life. You like to fuck other men? Great. Women with women? Fine. It’s your business. I’m not sharing with you the initimacies of the blow job I got last night, and I’d rather not hear about your consensual water-buffalo-fucking bacchanal last weekend.
This bathroom stuff is also a stupid non-issue. If you have a dick, use the men’s room. If you have a pussy, use the women’s room. The segregation isn’t there to suppress your sexuality or sense of gender, it’s to make the other men/women not feel uncomfortable doing something (pissing/shitting/getting a swirly) very personal.
One last thing: Stop adding letters to the acronym “LGBT.” “Q” is redundant and the “+” goes without saying. You can’t have any more of my precious alphanumeric characters.
Gender is your brain.
Biological assigned at birth sex is your chromosomes that created your outward appearance.
Sometimes, those two don’t match up.
Your sexuality is who/what you are sexually attracted to. It’s different for everyone as what you find attractive in others. Most of the time, that doesn’t change even after transition.
Pan implies all and not limited to strictly male/masculine or female/feminine characteristics or traits. More like all of the above, but usually has a preference that they gravitate to more than others.
People dress in whatever makes them comfortable. You want to wear khakis and white tees, go for it. You want to run around a club with tape on your nipples…I don’t care.
I don’t care who’s in the ladies room as long as they are not doing things they shouldn’t do in the ladies room.
That’s odd, because there are many that will tell you that gender is a social construct so can no way be your brain. If your chromosomes don’t match your outward appearance that’s where gay comes in. Why the need to fuck around with personal pronouns? Does gay have such a stigma now that we socially can’t be gay anymore?
I know I’m gonna come off like a dick on this issue but that is one of the funniest things to me. The whole point of adding all of those letters is so to not marginalize people but that’s exactly what the + does. Gay people used to be the + in society and they demanded a name and a label now that they have one they are putting the + on others. Too funny!
I’ve had friends transition and others consider it. They like everyone else just seem to try to live their lives in a way that it true to their own feelings and ideals. I respect someone who takes such bold and culturally unpopular moves in order to be true to themselves.
Whether I 100% understand the need or not seems the least important thing. Trans suicide rates are high and abuse towards that community is real. I think it’s important to set aside a need to “be right” about biology and just trust that the person living through the struggle has a better sense of that paradigm on the inside than the person outside it all.
Sorry man, none of that was helpful. It just sounded like jargon.
Not everyone (or anyone probably) gets to live their life according to their feelings or ideals. We all sell out or compromise ourselves in some way probably on a daily basis
Transitioning doesnt mean youve changed to a female or male it just means you’ve mutilated your genitals
It almost seems like an extreme case of body dysmorphia. I honestly wouldnt be suprised to learn that its a type of multiple personality type situation. People unhappy with themselves for not living up to some standard or maybe a coping mechanism for some awful trauma theyve suffered. so theyve crafted this alternate personality to hide/live through and then get lost in it.
I think the trans community suffers the abuse that they do because theres not a whole lot of information about it out there and ignorance breads hate and fear. The fact that no one is willing to talk about it and worse feels the need to shame anyone that tries to ask about it is not doing the trans community any favors. “Shut up and accept it” and “its not for you to understand” arent exactly the greatest slogans to use when trying to gain social acceptance in the world.
Good topic. Gender identity, roles and sexual orientation don’t always go hand in hand.
I have friends that are either transitioning or don’t identify as either sex…and what’s really interesting is their sexual orientation is the opposite sex. I don’t know anyone who is gay/lesbian that has or considered changing genders. Not sure what the exact statistics are, but it’s very interesting.
I’m a gay man, and there are certainly expectations, stereotypes and gender roles in the gay community. I sometimes feel like an outsider because I don’t live up to the mainstream expectations of a gay man. Not into the party scene. Not into hookup culture. Not into female pop icons or drag shows. I’m just your average nerd who’s into sci-fi, prog music and reading. Probably going off into a tangent here, but this is a great discussion.
And that’s what you should be. I detest Hollywood for putting out all of these swishy stereotypes for the younger generations to emulate. It’s fuckin stupid. I didn’t know that you were gay and that’s not a good or bad thing but it’s nice that you put yourself before being gay. I.E. it’s cool that your realmdemagic who is gay not “gay realmdemagic.” It seems like only the gay community feels to put their sexuality first in their personalities (Even though sexuality isn’t a personality trait). I’ve known more than enough people who are “Gay {insert name here}” Just be yourself not some stupid idea of what gay is supposed to look like because of some image that has been crafted. Hetero people don’t walk around saying “I’m hetero grmpysmrf” No, I’m grmpysmrf and if the topic should arise I’m grmpysmrf who is hetero. Your sexuality doesn’t define you, especially since it’s nobodies business, unless you’re looking to specifically date a specific person then it makes it that person’s business too.
I understand the last two but I’m still no closer to understanding how Gender Identity messes up.If gender is a social construct then it really comes down to dudes liking pink (albeit an oversimplification but seriously it would boil down superficial shit.)
Sorry outside of “transitioning” which was being used 20+ years ago I don’t see how my post was full of jargon.
Honestly if you don’t understand how “masculine” and “feminine” (gender identity) means something different than “born with these sex organs” (biological sex) I don’t know how to help you.
If someone’s gender identity doesn’t line up with their biological sex, then why not change it if we have the ability to?
It honestly doesn’t seem that confusing to me.
But beyond all that, just live and let live - I say.
