What was the best of Ministry?

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So did you ever get to see them live? They still had the MasterbaTour and the CU-LA-Tour after '06. Not the “best” representation of Ministry but still great, nonetheless (I actually preferred their final tour to the RGB gig).

I think my favorite live gig (judging just on the concert itself and no extracurricular activities, etc) would have to be in December 1992 at Universal Amphitheatre in Los Angeles.

The “Dark Side” gig in 1999 in Hollywood was amazing too. Hard to pick one favorite. So many great shows. Even though I was bitching about the set list and other stuff on the final tour the gigs were still immense.

I was unfortunately at CU LaTour. My first and only time seeing them. Meshuggah blew Ministry out of the water. Enough said about that. I missed MasturbaTour due to not having a ride and running out of money at the last minute. I had a friend tell me RevCo was better at that show and that Pitbull Daycare was complete shit. Did they play Eureka Pile at the Dark Side show?

I THINK they played it, actually.

Pitbull day care was abbsolutely horrific! The best part of that band was the lead singer hitting himself in the face all through out the set!
I remember seeing you gunnar with the W mask on. I was at that show. Didn’t know it was you though!
Late,
grmpysmrf

I have never seen a band worth seeing open for Ministry. Actually, that’s pretty much how it goes with every concert I go to. Now and then there will be a band I like but for the most part they blow.

It’s like they intentionally pick crappy acts just so they sound that much better! Like the average looking girl who hangs around ugly girls just so it adds to her attractability!

We see through this charade, opening acts of the world!!
Late,
grmpysmrf

I have never seen a band worth seeing open for Ministry. Actually, that’s pretty much how it goes with every concert I go to. Now and then there will be a band I like but for the most part they blow.

Murder By Death consistently picks amazing opening acts. Every time I see them I end up buying stuff from their openers.

It was the best of Ministry, It was the blurst of Ministry.

[shocked]

Pitbull day care was abbsolutely horrific! The best part of that band was the lead singer hitting himself in the face all through out the set!
I remember seeing you gunnar with the W mask on. I was at that show. Didn’t know it was you though!
Late,
grmpysmrf

HAHA!!! Awesome! I didn’t know you went to the Anaheim gig. You’re the first person I’ve heard from that said you saw me. I had some backstage pics and whatnot but I didn’t think to get any shots of me in the GW suit.

The gang thought I was hilarious. They were complaining earlier about the previous Dubya’s being “lame and boring” and just standing there or walking around. So I just went balls out, flipping everyone off, slapping my ass, doing the running man, riding the pony, you name it. It was my understanding that Al was going to tackle me after the intro part and then go into the rest of the song. But instead, they waited until the end of the song.

Hence, what I thought would be a one minute burst of energy for me up on stage ended up lasting about 6 or 7 minutes. It was tiring as heck. Also, it is darn near impossible to see out of the mask, so there was a few times where I almost knocked over Mikey and/or tripped on some cables/ speakers. That freaked me out. I would have hated myself if I’d messed up the opening song by botching what seems like a pretty straight-forward task.

Anyway, it all turned out beautifully and the crew all loved it.

^ How were you selected for that?

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This was before I knew any of the Jourgensens or anyone in the Piss Army. I had just recently joined the Piss Army site and saw there was a post called “Who Wants to Get Beat Up By Al?”

They had opened up the position for each show to fans as an appreciation thing. There was a sign-up list for people who wanted to do it. Afra actually called me and hooked me up (big props to homeboy!!!).

The show earlier in the week (Salt Lake City) the guy got drunk off his ass and didn’t show up. And after my gig the lawyers and insurance people got wind of what they were doing and shut it down (too much liability).

So, while they intended to reward one lucky fan at each gig, ultimately I was the only one that got to do it. The rest of the tour it the duty was taken over by one of the tour managers, or stage hands, or Jello.

I talk a lot of smack about Al and Angie’s recent creative output and some of their business decisions, but I never put them down as people. In all honesty they were super gracious and extremely generous and welcoming to me, letting me hang out on their bus all night, letting me drink their beer, talk politics and culture with Al. Meet Mikey and the rest of the gang.

It was a really momentous night for me and some very special memories.

Jdub,

I hate to say it… but after reading that last post and all the guff you’ve talked about them… I feel a bit badfor Al.

That’s all I’ll say.

Anyway, how I got into Ministry was being an 8 year old kid locked in his father’s sports centre’s office and not being able to get out until he finished at the end of the night. But that was okay, because there was a radio in there. And on the alternative station, Filthpig was the feature album. They played the thing from start to finish, and I loved it, especially Lay Lady Lay.

Then you’d see them in the paper, or on TV, video shows, etc, and they just had this awesome mystique with the cowboy hats and all. Then they dropped off the radar, but they were sort of this band I just ‘knew’ about and without really knowing anything other than it was fucking cool.

When I finally got the internet, one of the first things I did was look them up, and it was just around the time they’d released Animositisomina. But, before I went out and bought that, I found their early, 80s pop stuff. Let’s just say… I was surprised

nonetheless, I really got into them and none of my friends did. It was really only after high school that I met people that liked them, both on this forum and outside of that. So, to me they were still this badass outsider band pissing people off…

and they still are, in a way… [laugh]

Jdub,

I hate to say it… but after reading that last post and all the guff you’ve talked about them… I feel a bit badfor Al.

That’s all I’ll say.

Yeah, I’m kind of an ass like that. But I believe in weighing things on their own merit. Were they nice people? ABSOLUTELY. Does “Cover Up” suck ass? You betcha! I met Al again in Dublin and things went quite differently than our first meeting (I can probably be convinced to tell the tale later).

So, to me they were still this badass outsider band pissing people off…

and they still are, in a way… [laugh]

HAHAHA!!! Yep.

He used to piss off record companies, parents, the government . . . and it made people like us want to go buy the albums.

Now he’s pissing off the people that bought those albums. I’m not too sure about this new marketing strategy.

Go on, tell us about the Dublin story… because some of the comments ya have said have gone way beyond ‘Cover Up sucks!’ and are the sort of thing that if I heard a friend say about me, I’d be stung.

Not trying to be preachy here but… I dunno, it just seems a bit harsh after you told us all the stuff he and Angie let you in the loop on.

Well, it probably won’t redeem me, but I’ll tell it anyway.

After the Dublin show (I can’t remember if it was night 1 or 2 – I think it was the first) we all went back to the Bleeding Horse Saloon (this bar became a de-facto base for the Piss Army). “BudtheChud” showed up and proudly inquired, “Who wants to meet Al?” Everyone sort of stayed sedated for a bit and I got up, “Yeah, I’d like to say ‘hi’ again” and the rest of the crew (there were probably about 9 of us) got up to follow her down as well.

I let one of two go ahead of me, I think, and then it was my turn. We were filing in one-at-a-time into what looked like a converted supply closet at one end of the bar. Literally, the size of this “room” was maybe 5’ x 7’ at the most. It reminded me of a confessional or something. There were some wooden benches along the walls. BudtheChud and some other roadie chick (I just called her “Red” because of her hair) were basically acting as monitors and telling people when they could come in, leave, etc. It cracked me up that the VIP (no, we did not pay for an extra goodie bag) Meet-and-Greet area looked like where the extra Guinness crates and cleaning supplies were probably typically stored.

Anyway, I get to go in and I tell Al it was a great show and it’s good to see him again and shake his hand while his handlers stand or sit on both sides of him. He obviously doesn’t remember me and he mumbles something like, “Do you know who I am?” and I tell him “Yeah, Al. I know you. I’m a big fan, I actually spent good some time with you on the Evil Doer tour in Anaheim” hoping it would ring a bell (but not expecting anything or feeling like I was owed anything).

He turns to Bud, motions to her then asks me, “Do you know her?” I tell him that I do and that we’ve been hanging out and partying together for the last two days. He continues . . . “Well, if you wanna get to me, you gotta go through her!”

“Whatever, Dude. Take care, Al.” I thought the exchange was a bit odd and I thought it was stupid that he was telling me I had to suck up to someone (another fan) to “get to” him. Especially considering I’d already had access to him previously and I was actually on pretty good terms with Bud as well.

Anyway, I was bored with my crew anyway, and as there were some Irish businessmen getting sauced and laughing at my wardrobe for the evening, I joined in with them for a laugh. They asked what the scene was with people waiting to go in the closet. I tell them it’s an independent American rockstar but they wouldn’t know him. They ask some more questions and say, “Is he like Marilyn Manson?”

“Yeah, kind of. I guess.” One of them pulls up Ministry on his cell phone and shows me an Al picture – “This guy?” and I tell him, “Yeah, that’s him. That’s the guy in the closet.”

The guys interest level peaked by this time and he asked me, “Can I go in and meet him?” I thought it was a bit ironic having someone ask me for permission as I was just told I had to go through another fan. But I answered him back with a question . . .

“Who’s bar is this? Yours or his?”
“OURS!”
“And who’s country is this? Yours or his?”
“OURS!”

“Well, then, I reckon you can do whatever you like, can’t you?”

And with that the drunken Irish businessman stood up and marched to the closet. He swung open the door and pushed Red to the side and shouted loudly, “IS THISSS OZZIIIEEE OSSSBBOORRRRNNN!!!” They had a heck of a time getting him out of there and of course I thought the entire scene was absolutely hilarious.

I was pretty proud of myself and was retelling the tale the next day at the Saloon again. Bud retorted, “I don’t think Al was very amused by that!” to which I replied, “Yeah, he wasn’t. That’s what made it so awesome!”

Anyway, I don’t hate Al or wish him any harm (though I may write some rather acidic commentary at times). I do wish he’d come back down to Earth and stop making a bunch of crap, though (as cliche as it is to say, I think Angie is 95% to blame for most of this crap that we all hate).

Yeah, I know. I’m still an ass. HAHAHAHA!!!

I’m not surprised he didn’t remember you.

  1. He must meet a billion people on tour.
  2. He’s a drunk.

I kinda think late '80s/early '90s Al would’ve kicked the Irish businessmen’s asses

I kinda think late '80s/early '90s Al would’ve kicked the Irish businessmen’s asses

I think that Al would’ve laughed about it, instead of having some girls protect him from the big bad leprechaun.

@Gunnar what was the date of the show? I’ll dig it up in the archives if you don’t

EDIT: The CliTourUS show

EDIT 2: Quite a story you got there. Al being a douche doesn’t surprise me. Rock stars suck

I typed in Ministry L7 Palladium into Google and the top link was Prongs, hahahaha!!!

This show. Apparently 8-17-1999 – http://www.prongs.org/ministry/8-17-03-Hollywood

Haha my 13th bday. I think I saw another set list from the SF show and it had Eureka Pile in there. If Al ever decided to play a classic set of Ministry and had EP and Whip And Chain in there I could die happy

EDIT: Btw was Lava hella long like it was on SphincTour?