“Lords of Chaos” is great. And I really don’t give a crap if a couple church-burning, queer-stabbing, dead-bird-huffing, spikety spiked pandas get butthurt that they weren’t accurately portrayed.
I, too, am interested in hearing more about that other BM book that was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can’t stand 95% of the “music” but have always been fascinated by the early scene makers and the history and mythology around it all.
I’m a bit of an autobiography junkie, myself. Especially rock and roll autobiographies. I just picked up “I, Shithead”, the Joey Keithley (DOA) auto, and I also got the new Johnny Cash biography (written by someone else whose name escapes me at the moment).
“Lords of Chaos” is great. And I really don’t give a crap if a couple church-burning, queer-stabbing, dead-bird-huffing, spikety spiked pandas get butthurt that they weren’t accurately portrayed.
I, too, am interested in hearing more about that other BM book that was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can’t stand 95% of the “music” but have always been fascinated by the early scene makers and the history and mythology around it all.
From looking at the Amazon reviews of the other one, a couple people say that it focuses more on “the music” than L.O.C. did.
Although it’d be a shame if it didn’t have at least a few of the comical asides that its predecessor had. I loved the one about how ‘Dead’ is trying to get some sleep while ‘Euronymous’ blasts some techno music that he hates, so ‘Dead’ then decides to sleep in the woods, but then ‘Euronymous’ just goes out there on a whim to shoot at some birds, hahaha…
Is there any one period that the Johnny Cash bio mainly centers on? I keep thinking “The Junkie and the Juicehead Minus Me” would have been a great candidate for a Buck Satan tune.
I keep thinking “The Junkie and the Juicehead Minus Me” would have been a great candidate for a Buck Satan tune.
I was just saying yesterday how underwhelming that album was, it was the least country album ever. After all his big talk it was just… nothing, apart from a couple of songs that i enjoyed. Where was the country music? [:(]
Literally halfway through James Ellroy’s “Underworld USA” trilogy. I’m not really a history buff, but this shit is amazing. Highly recommended.
“Lords of Chaos” is great. And I really don’t give a crap if a couple church-burning, queer-stabbing, dead-bird-huffing, spikety spiked pandas get butthurt that they weren’t accurately portrayed.
I, too, am interested in hearing more about that other BM book that was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can’t stand 95% of the “music” but have always been fascinated by the early scene makers and the history and mythology around it all.
If you want a pretty accurate look back on the scene, watch Until The Light Takes Us.
Literally halfway through James Ellroy’s “Underworld USA” trilogy. I’m not really a history buff, but this shit is amazing. Highly recommended.
It’s absolutely fucking class. American Tabloid’s one of the best books i’ve ever read, i thought The Cold Six Thousand grated a little bit because of his incredibly sparse style, still a pretty fantastic read, but Blood’s a Rover was incredible. I think you’ll enjoy it, i was just totally thrilled with it. Blew me away. Speaking of which, i had to turn back a page loads of times over the course of the 3 books to make sure i’d read certain parts right, Ellroy’s not shy about casually killing big characters off very suddenly!
[reply]“Lords of Chaos” is great. And I really don’t give a crap if a couple church-burning, queer-stabbing, dead-bird-huffing, spikety spiked pandas get butthurt that they weren’t accurately portrayed.
I, too, am interested in hearing more about that other BM book that was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can’t stand 95% of the “music” but have always been fascinated by the early scene makers and the history and mythology around it all.
From looking at the Amazon reviews of the other one, a couple people say that it focuses more on “the music” than L.O.C. did.
Although it’d be a shame if it didn’t have at least a few of the comical asides that its predecessor had. I loved the one about how ‘Dead’ is trying to get some sleep while ‘Euronymous’ blasts some techno music that he hates, so ‘Dead’ then decides to sleep in the woods, but then ‘Euronymous’ just goes out there on a whim to shoot at some birds, hahaha…
Is there any one period that the Johnny Cash bio mainly centers on? I keep thinking “The Junkie and the Juicehead Minus Me” would have been a great candidate for a Buck Satan tune.[/reply]
I haven’t even started the Cash bio, but if I recall from what little I read beforehand it is by someone who was really close to him in the inner circle. I didn’t even know it was released until about 2 months back. Someone asked me if I picked it up yet and then had to go get it, haha!
And, yeah, blackmetal comedy is great stuff.
If you want a pretty accurate look back on the scene, watch Until The Light Takes Us.
That one is great.
The Vice reporters bitching about marching up some frozen hill in the middle of frozen nowhere so that Gaahl can show them some tiny little shack that he grew up in.
Tomazs would love that part. It reminds me of the scene in “Breakfast Club” where everyone is following Bender to his locker and Johnson keeps asking a bunch of questions to Andrew who tells him if he says one more thing he’s gonna beat the crap out of him.
If “Breakfast Club” is ever remade they should definitely have a blackmetal kid in it.
That one is great.
The Vice reporters bitching about marching up some frozen hill in the middle of frozen nowhere so that Gaahl can show them some tiny little shack that he grew up in.
Tomazs would love that part. It reminds me of the scene in “Breakfast Club” where everyone is following Bender to his locker and Johnson keeps asking a bunch of questions to Andrew who tells him if he says one more thing he’s gonna beat the crap out of him.
If “Breakfast Club” is ever remade they should definitely have a blackmetal kid in it.
That’s not the same documentary, but funny as hell! They alluded to it in an episode of Metalocalypse. Funny Breakfast Club tie-in by the way.
That one is great.
The Vice reporters bitching about marching up some frozen hill in the middle of frozen nowhere so that Gaahl can show them some tiny little shack that he grew up in.
Tomazs would love that part. It reminds me of the scene in “Breakfast Club” where everyone is following Bender to his locker and Johnson keeps asking a bunch of questions to Andrew who tells him if he says one more thing he’s gonna beat the crap out of him.
If “Breakfast Club” is ever remade they should definitely have a blackmetal kid in it.
You are spot on that I enjoyed that - given the hate-on I had for VICE at the time, I was cheering for Gaahl all the way.
Actually the parts that I liked the most were the documentarians talking into the camera saying, like, “we came to interview him about music, and all he wants to do is counsel us about how to live our lives,” and the finale in which Gaahl essentially tells the interviewer that he isn’t ready to receive true wisdom, upon which the poor chap says “guide me” and receives a very uncomfortable silence in return.
If Breakfast Club were remade today, clearly Jourgensen would have to be tapped to do an aggro cover of “Don’t You Forget About Me” for the closing credits.
Hell, he should just show up in the film to reprise Judd Nelson’s whole “this is what you get at MY house for SPILLING PAINT in the GARAAAAGE!” moment.
Gunter Grass - Cat and Mouse
From the author of the Tin Drum. The story of two friends in Germany during the war. Complicated and non linear, but given some time and effort, I eventually found it to be a rewarding experience. Difficult to recommend though.
Various - Apocalypse Culture II
Weird and fucked up writings strung together loosely by Adam Parfrey. Post modern culture through the eyes of some of the most extreme taboo bending “personalities” around (Boyd Rice, Bobby Beausoleil, Michael Moynihan…)
Highly recommend (at least, highly recommended for YOU weirdos! [:)] )
You’re about to hit a pretty painful run, catgoat. Chuck Austen’s a pretty awful writer.
at least nightcrawler is around atm. kinda cool to see angel running the team for a bit, and i really like colossus so finally getting to see his fate instead of read boaut in on a wiki was cool. i really got tired of gambit around this point too. it seems like it was an editorial edict that he must always have a new dark terrible secret, and has to reference how he must not let the others know about it every other panel he is in.
at my job, there is some downtime, so i have been able to catch up on alot of comics. I read all of X-Men (1991, or legacy as it was known for a time) vol2 of x-force (i own floppies of the complete Uncanny X-Force run), and uncanny from around 240 so far.
i get to read alot of comics.
Some of the writing in those old comics, especially Marvel ones, is absolutely awful, child-level nonsense. Characters constantly say stupid old 1950s style phrases that nobody ever says in real life, they always call Cyclops Scott Summers or even Scott “Slim” Summers (maybe that’s further back in time than the 90s though), and they generally have a lot of internal monologues and expository chat. I enjoyed them at the time, and still enjoy some of it, but a lot of it’s awful. Obviously i don’t paint all comics with that brush, but it surprises me at how many, coming back to re-read them years later, are just awful.
Some of the writing in those old comics, especially Marvel ones, is absolutely awful, child-level nonsense. Characters constantly say stupid old 1950s style phrases that nobody ever says in real life, they always call Cyclops Scott Summers or even Scott “Slim” Summers (maybe that’s further back in time than the 90s though), and they generally have a lot of internal monologues and expository chat. I enjoyed them at the time, and still enjoy some of it, but a lot of it’s awful. Obviously i don’t paint all comics with that brush, but it surprises me at how many, coming back to re-read them years later, are just awful.
yeah man they still did that into the early 90’s. it can be a real chore to read anything that old. i think i remeber reading that they did that so each issue could be someone’s “first”, thus people always explaining what they were about to do, and how they would do it by describing their power. i never noticed it when i was young but it can be pretty jarring to go back and read something people revere as one of the best storylines in X-History and fucking colossus is all “I WILL HELP YOU, COMRADE, WITH MY SUPER STRENGTH AND BIOSTEEL SKIN” once they hit about 1990 they seemed to start putting these types of phrases in thought bubbles as opposed to the character declaring them loudly.
90’s comics were a dark time, but things turned around in the early 2000’s.
[reply]Some of the writing in those old comics, especially Marvel ones, is absolutely awful, child-level nonsense. Characters constantly say stupid old 1950s style phrases that nobody ever says in real life, they always call Cyclops Scott Summers or even Scott “Slim” Summers (maybe that’s further back in time than the 90s though), and they generally have a lot of internal monologues and expository chat. I enjoyed them at the time, and still enjoy some of it, but a lot of it’s awful. Obviously i don’t paint all comics with that brush, but it surprises me at how many, coming back to re-read them years later, are just awful.
yeah man they still did that into the early 90’s. it can be a real chore to read anything that old. i think i remeber reading that they did that so each issue could be someone’s “first”, thus people always explaining what they were about to do, and how they would do it by describing their power. i never noticed it when i was young but it can be pretty jarring to go back and read something people revere as one of the best storylines in X-History and fucking colossus is all “I WILL HELP YOU, COMRADE, WITH MY SUPER STRENGTH AND BIOSTEEL SKIN” once they hit about 1990 they seemed to start putting these types of phrases in thought bubbles as opposed to the character declaring them loudly.
90’s comics were a dark time, but things turned around in the early 2000’s.[/reply]
Hahaha, yeah, i can just picture that scene from what you’ve written. 90s comics were definitely a mixed bag, although i think you’re spot on about the whole exposition thing being so the uninitiated could just jump in at any point. One of the funniest comic-related things for me was on the extras of the Blade II dvd, Guillermo Del Toror is laughing about the ridiculous dialogue in comics and said he didn’t want to make the sort of film where someone dramatically reached out and shouted “MUST… REACH… LEVER!!!”
90’s comics were a dark time, but things turned around in the early 2000’s.
Agree completely. I actually just finished the Alias series from 2001 or so. Really good stuff. Much better writing than Bendis’ later Avengers run. Plenty of really good stuff from that era between the late 90’s crap and the late 2000’s corporate writing by committee.
Part of the reason that the dialogue in old Marvel comics is so awkwardly written might be that they had to fit it onto a story and artwork that was already mostly completed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_(comics)#Plot_script
In a plot script the artist works from a story synopsis from the writer, rather than a full script. The artist creates page-by-page plot details on his or her own, after which the work is returned to the writer for the insertion of dialogue. Due to its widespread use at Marvel Comics beginning in the 1960s, primarily under writer-editor Stan Lee and artists Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, this approach became commonly known as the “Marvel method” or Marvel “House style”.[3]
Comics historian Mark Evanier writes that this “new means of collaboration . . . was born of necessity—Stan was overburdened with work—and to make use of Jack’s great skill with storylines. . . . Sometimes Stan would type up a written plot outline for the artist. Sometimes, not.”[4] As comic-book writer-editor Dennis O’Neil describes, the Marvel method “. . . requires the writer to begin by writing out a plot and add[ing] words when the penciled artwork is finished. . . .In the mid-sixties, plots were seldom more than a typewritten page, and sometimes less,” while writers in later times “might produce as many as twenty-five pages of plot for a twenty-two page story, and even include in them snatches of dialog. So a Marvel Method plot can run from a couple of paragraphs to something much longer and more elaborate.”
yeah man they still did that into the early 90’s. it can be a real chore to read anything that old. i think i remeber reading that they did that so each issue could be someone’s “first”, thus people always explaining what they were about to do, and how they would do it by describing their power.
As a kid I was heavily into the early run of Punisher comics, and though they didn’t have the constant ‘power exposition’ dialogue, it got sooooo old having Frank Castle’s origin story replayed every single issue.
One of the official explanations was that the writers wanted to make sure that there was some kind of moral dimension to the hero’s ultraviolence, but still…pretty annoying
The official policy at Marvel for a long time is “every issue is someone’s first”. That’s why that recapped that stuff every time.
Nowadays things are paced more for trade paperbacks they can sell at Barnes & Noble or over Amazon, so they have a page at the front of the book to recap or explain someone’s powers instead of having to shoehorn it into the dialogue.