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Dude, you’re funny.
It’s OK.
And I still disagree with you.

Both parties have contributed to the mess we are in.
Dems early 90’s w/ banking and housing legislation that blew up.
Republos afterwards w/ the war debt. I apologize that my
disagreeing with you upsets you so.

Also, I do vote Democrat. And I do see value in getting upset w/ the
party I’ve supported when they’ve failed so terribly in the last 3 years.
If no one gets pissed, why should they change?

But what angers me isn’t so much that nothing has improved. But that the Dems let the Republos steam roll them. Seriously every time. It’s embarrassing. Someone was quoted saying Obama needed a spine transplant.
I think that was a bit harsh as it should have been applied to the entire party.

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[reply]O’s plan was anybody making more than 250 Gs would have their taxes increase 3%.

That’s completely different than “small businesses”, it’s “personal income”.

I’m all for passing that increase (or even a bit more) by the way.[/reply]
that was to be the small business level as well.
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grmpysmrf

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And I still disagree with you.

you just can’t articulate past what you’ve already written. and I’m the funny one?

Both parties have contributed to the mess we are in.
Dems early 90’s w/ banking and housing legislation that blew up

yeah? what’s the name of the legislation? or does that escape you right now?

I apologize that my disagreeing with you upsets you so.

It’s not your disagreement it’s your lack of understanding

Also, I do vote Democrat.

so? so does lieberman. What’s your point?

And I do see value in getting upset w/ the
party I’ve supported when they’ve failed so terribly in the last 3 years.

Clearly! respectfully! but at least get upset with something real they have done or not done. the things you are spouting off about are no where near close to correct or contextually accurate.

You wanna bitch about Obama having no spine and keeping most of W’s policies in place and him trying to please his opponents rather than his constituents (as someone already pointed out) then, oh yeah, I’m there. You wanna call him a socialist? then oh yeah I’m right there too,to call you a retard.

You wanna bitch at Clinton for getting NAFTA passed and ultimately paving the road for the worker to lose there jobs to companies moving out of the country where the labor is cheaper? then oh yeah I’m right there with you. but I will also remind you that Newt Gingrich was pushing for NAFTA as well and NAFTA was part of the compromise to get the government running again after it was shut down in '94.

Given Clinton’s body of work while in office, I doubt he would ever draft such legislation that would put Americans out of work

If no one gets pissed, why should they change?

well no kidding!! How profound. but again if you just get pissed to get pissed you just look like a jerk with no clue.

But what angers me isn’t so much that nothing has improved. But that the Dems let the Republos steam roll them. Seriously every time. It’s embarrassing.

now you’re speaking my language. that’s a real bitch and a real concern! Obama had all but the Judicial branch on his side and he was more interested in appeasing Republicans. FUCKING BULLSHIT. Repubs don’t give a shit about appeasing Dems. see? right there Dems care too much.

Someone was quoted saying Obama needed a spine transplant.
I think that was a bit harsh as it should have been applied to the entire party.

I don’t think that’s harsh at all I think that’s very on point!

Come with smart grievances like that and we’ll get along fine.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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So instead of bitching about the past, how are we going to fix this for the future?

  1. Stop building new houses/subdivisions in the areas hardest hit in the housing crisis that have excess houses that cannot be sold. Put these displaced home construction people to work fixing the houses that are sitting empty to ready them for sale. Anything that can’t be fixed/is in a bad neighborhood and can’t be sold gets bulldozed. We need people paying property taxes (people living in apartments pay the property’s taxes in the rent) to keep our local communities’ services. I really don’t care if they give the empty houses away, just as long as someone is paying the property taxes and maintaining the houses.

  2. The Fed has to absolutely stop buying bad mortgages from these banks who make profit by instantly selling them. Essentially, the Fed owns 50% of houses with mortgages (that’s ~22 million properties). If the banks were forced to hold on to their mortgages for at least 5 years before they could sell them, there would be much tighter restrictions to lending because their financial health is at stake. (Yes, homes were given to people who never should have had homes in the first place. It’s numbers on paper - and they can’t get blood from a turnip.)

  3. The Fed needs to stop paying big money to big money. The bailout money should have been directly applied to the individual mortgage. Otherwise, the numbers should have been written off the paper by modification. For example, a 230k house is now worth 60k. The person who bought it still owes 170k despite already having paid 60k in principle into the house. That 170k difference needs to be written off immediately (it’s numbers on paper). If they refuse to write it off, then the holder needs to give up a list of properties that they hold that are worth the original loan amount and allow the person to move to a property worth what they paid or are locked into by their mortgage. People in this country have to be free from ‘house arrest/financial imprisonment’ to turn this country around - they have to be able to move to new locales to take jobs without being forced to foreclose or declare bankruptcy due to being tied to a dead elephant property.

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Additionally, the five American pillars need to be put back in place to rebuild this country:

We are going to have to out-educate other nations due to rapid technology advancement (expedited obsolescence), re-build the infrastructure that has decayed and/or not been updated to accommodate for population growth etc., allow the best and the brightest of innovative and business-minded people to immigrate to the U.S., provide Fed-funded research and development to encourage innovation, and have rules for taking risks and encouraging start-ups.

O’s trying to do this, but he’s not getting much help because they are fighting amongst themselves for the individual trees and small patches of trees versus keeping the entire forest healthy. Remember that O sets the vision, Congress funds the vision, the individual agencies and worker-bee people divide up the cash and then carry out that vision.

When you are talking 3% taxes on big money, 3% of big money equates to big money. That is why, many times, the worker-bee salary % increases decrease with higher salaries. IOW, a person making 40k may get a 5% increase; whereas, a person making 80k may get a 2.5% increase - if they get an increase at all.

The unemployment statistics in the U.S. indicate that the majority of people without jobs in this country are people who did not attend university and receive at least a bachelors degree. http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

On that note: The new high school diploma is a bachelors degree, yet only about 17% of Central FL high school grads are prepared to enter university. What does that tell you about the quality of K-12 education and parent involvement in this country? I see university entry education standards being lowered to compensate for students’ unpreparedness. (I went to private versus public university and it was very very difficult - I though graduate school was easy in comparison.) We are doomed if we do not first change education.

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[reply]
everyone is not getting the shaft right now. unless by everyone you mean the middle and lower classes, then yes everyone is getting the shaft.

Hey remember back to the turn of last century in Russia, when the Bolsheviks rose up and dismantled the Tsarist autocracy? Remember how it was supposed to be a victory for the working man? With all the “rich folk” now out of the way, it was supposed to herald a new era of prosperity and equality for the Russian workers. I mean, who needs all those nasty rich folk, right? All they do is be rich. Right?

Remember what happened next?[/reply]

So he makes the point that rich people are not being affected to the extent the rest of the country is and you bleat “WELL WHAT D’YA WANT, THE SOVIET UNION?!!?!?”

Yes, say, raising the top marginal tax rate to even close to what it was during Eisenhower (that big hippie) is akin to calling for a workers’ revolution.

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This is exactly what is was like in Nazi Germany. Exactly.

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Clinton was actually the one who signed off on the legislation for banks to be able to bundle and sell the junk loans that ultimately was responsible for the financial crisis. This was also part of his platform that home ownership is the key for creating prosperity in America.

Gramm-Leach was vetoproof. President Clinton had no choice when the final bill reached his desk.

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[reply]The US is a kleptocracy now. The seeds were planted in the 80’s…and thirty years later it’s finally come to it’s fruition.

what about the Clinton prosperity years?
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The Clinton prosperity years were great as I remember. I only said the seeds were sown 30 years ago… not that the Clinton put an end to it.

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[reply][reply]The US is a kleptocracy now. The seeds were planted in the 80’s…and thirty years later it’s finally come to it’s fruition.

what about the Clinton prosperity years?
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grmpysmrf[/reply]

The Clinton prosperity years were great as I remember. I only said the seeds were sown 30 years ago… not that the Clinton put an end to it.[/reply]
Touche’
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Read this. Seriously.

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

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[reply]

Gramm-Leach was vetoproof. President Clinton had no choice when the final bill reached his desk.

You may wish to rethink your certainty of Mr. Clinton’s lack of support of Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

The House voted
207 R - Yes
6 R - No
153 D - Yes
50 D -No

Senate voted
52 R -Yes
0 R - No
1 D - Yes
44 D -No

Not quite “veto proof”.

[/reply]

Don’t put words in my mouth. Besides…you’ve listed the incorrect vote tally. I suspect you didn’t dig deep enough. Congress is solely to blame for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. Here’s the actual story.

“On November 4th, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8, and by the House 362-57. This legislation (whose voting margins, if repeated, would easily have overcome any Presidential veto) was signed into law by Democratic President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.”

= veto proof

I’m no Clintonista… and many prominent Dems voted for the bill…but Clinton had no choice but to sign it. If he hadn’t Congress had the votes to overturn it.

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[reply][reply]

Gramm-Leach was vetoproof. President Clinton had no choice when the final bill reached his desk.

You may wish to rethink your certainty of Mr. Clinton’s lack of support of Gramm-Leach-Bliley.

The House voted
207 R - Yes
6 R - No
153 D - Yes
50 D -No

Senate voted
52 R -Yes
0 R - No
1 D - Yes
44 D -No

Not quite “veto proof”.

[/reply]

Don’t put words in my mouth. Besides…you’ve listed the incorrect vote tally. I suspect you didn’t dig deep enough. Congress is solely to blame for the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. Here’s the actual story.

“On November 4th, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8, and by the House 362-57. This legislation (whose voting margins, if repeated, would easily have overcome any Presidential veto) was signed into law by Democratic President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.”

= veto proof

I’m no Clintonista… and many prominent Dems voted for the bill…but Clinton had no choice but to sign it. If he hadn’t Congress had the votes to overturn it.[/reply]
You’ll have to forgive prologue, he really is an AM radio listener then couple that with the fox news that he watches and so he only really has about 25% of the actual real information.

It is cute though how he comes off so confident, though.
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grmpysmrf

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You don’t know anything about the software biz if you think they are guarenteed to make a profit at all. The one I work for currently doesn’t even break even.

first off, what year are they in?
second, there has to be a profit somewhere, otherwise the doors would be shut.

so if the first situation is anything over 5 years and #2 they really don’t have have a profit…

Doesn’t sound like much of a company now does it.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Bill made a decision and he stuck by it, according to that article thingy. Good for him. Whether that was good for the country, whatever . . . But I’m sick of wimpy ass politicians saying “____ forced me to” with regards to what later prove to be unpopular decisions.

Why are the so-called Dems or Liberals or whatever trying to discredit my man, Bill. Heck, this guy should be their poster boy for straight up political pimpin’.

I’m not into politics and I’m certainly not a liberal, but, come on! Bill Clinton was a straight up dirty pimp and that’s what made him totally badass.

“Vote for me! I’m gonna play my saxamophone on the Arsenio Hall Show and then eat a couple Big Macs while gettin’ a BJ from an intern!”

How sad that after we had Bill for 8 years people had to choose between a couple of total dorks. GW or Al Gore. I wouldn’t wanna party with either of those tools.

As for Obama. He can do whatever the heck he wants as far as I’m concerned. He’s a brother and pretty much the coolest cat since Teddy Roosevelt!

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It takes 67 votes in the Senate to overturn a presidential veto. There clearly wasn’t going to be 67 votes in the Senate. That’s not veto proof.

It passed 90-8! How can you say they didn’t have 67 votes?

This was a bill that Republicans had been trying to pass for 10 years. All three sponsors…were Republicans. I won’t add anything to that…everyone can make up their own minds but those are the facts.

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How sad that after we had Bill for 8 years people had to choose between a couple of total dorks. GW or Al Gore. I wouldn’t wanna party with either of those tools.

call me old fashioned but I don’t want a president that I can party with. I want the smart dude/chick that spends his/her time in the library becoming more smart so when they become president they know what the hell they’re doing. people were all happy thinking W was the kinda guy they could sit down and have a beer with. Well no shit, you sure as hell ain’t gonna discuss the book of the month with him. the fucker can’t read!
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grmpysmrf

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[reply][reply]It takes 67 votes in the Senate to overturn a presidential veto. There clearly wasn’t going to be 67 votes in the Senate. That’s not veto proof.

It passed 90-8! How can you say they didn’t have 67 votes?

This was a bill that Republicans had been trying to pass for 10 years. All three sponsors…were Republicans. I won’t add anything to that…everyone can make up their own minds but those are the facts.[/reply]

You’re right. I just corrected my post. I had a couple Chimay’s tonight. Never post a little drunk.[/reply]
Holy shit!!! you just conceded!! the repubs are gonna yank your republican card. tea party protest will be held on your lawn.

you never ever concede to anyone outside the party. 'tis a sad day for prologue.

Let me know how it turns out. those fuckers can be viscous. well I tried to set you straight earlier but oh no you had to get childish about it and take your keyboard and go home…

oh well, lesson learned. better late than never.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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[reply][reply][reply][reply]It takes 67 votes in the Senate to overturn a presidential veto. There clearly wasn’t going to be 67 votes in the Senate. That’s not veto proof.

It passed 90-8! How can you say they didn’t have 67 votes?

This was a bill that Republicans had been trying to pass for 10 years. All three sponsors…were Republicans. I won’t add anything to that…everyone can make up their own minds but those are the facts.[/reply]

You’re right. I just corrected my post. I had a couple Chimay’s tonight. Never post a little drunk.[/reply]
Holy shit!!! you just conceded!! the repubs are gonna yank your republican card. tea party protest will be held on your lawn.

you never ever concede to anyone outside the party. 'tis a sad day for prologue.

Let me know how it turns out. those fuckers can be vicious (edit too bad for me not to correct). well I tried to set you straight earlier but oh no you had to get childish about it and take your keyboard and go home…

oh well, lesson learned. better late than never.
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However, what is with your absolutely chronic inability to remain civil with anyone whom you may disagree?

what are you talking about? we agree. we have it in print that you wrote you were wrong. I agree with you in that you are/were wrong. how is that uncivil?

Do you have some inborn need to be a complete and total asshole?

what happened to civil? I didn’t use profanity at you… or are you just trying to get back in the good graces of the right with their never dying love of hypocrisy?

They won’t take you back. you’ve shown yourself as weak in their eyes. Might as well make the full journey into common sense. Your eyes are open now, good luck with them.
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