[reply]fuck you all got 3 different verssion all good…oh i’m a filth pig…
Thank you for your insightful and helpful commentary regarding the situation at hand. I will take this under consideration with respect to future decisions I may be presented with.[/reply]
You forgot to ask if you can subscribe to his newsletter. You missed your chance.
How’s the editing/ camera work?
I couldn’t watch more than 2 minutes of that Adios Putas Madres concert without getting a raging headache from the spazzy ADHD MTV style cutting . . . not giving more than 1 second of clear frame at a time. It was nauseating.
I think we discussed this back when the Adios DVD came out- if I recall correctly, the rapid-fire cuts you complain about were emphasized in the first song or so, but settled down into a more watchable pace for the rest of the DVD?
Anyway, I found the editing on Last Tangle to be pretty good. I enjoyed watching it, anyway. You get a good, clear look at everyone in the band. It’s an improvement over Adios in that the shots seem less random- when Mikey plays the solo in “Relapse”, for example, the camera goes mostly to his hands/guitar, rather than to Sin or whoever. The editing is also very good as hiding the fact that this was patched together from more than one show: I think on Spinchtour or whatever older video it was, it was very obvious with all these wardrobe changes for different shots of the same song, but there’s nothing like that here. If Al hadn’t addressed the crowd as “Chicago” at the beginning of “Life Is Good” and “New York” at the end of “Thieves,” I probably wouldn’t have noticed that it wasn’t one show! Are Chicago and New York the only shows represented here? Despite the title, I didn’t catch any evidence of any part of this being filmed in Paris or any other part of Europe. Despite Al being sick and injured for all of this tour, I think he still did a pretty good job keeping animated while fronting the band- especially during “Senor Peligro,” it was amusing to see his funny little dance and air guitar playing. Al comes out with a real guitar during “NWO” and “Just One Fix,” but if you watch his hands through those songs his guitar contribution to those is pretty minimal, and it’s definitely the other guitarists doing most of the work (not that I can blame Al, with his damaged elbow on this tour, but I’m not sure the amount of guitar he played really justified taking on that role at all). I think “Just One Fix” was my favourite song of the concert, Mikey’s new take on the guitar sounded great and Al’s vocals seemed to have a touch of an accent that called back even to '80s Ministry (or maybe the studio version of Just One Fix has always sounded like that, it’s not like I listened to them back to back).
Something I didn’t realize until watching the DVD is that the “bonus features” (rehearsal footage, backstage footage, Mikey jamming in the studio, scenes of Al, Sin, and Sammy talking into the camera about their memories of Mikey) are inserted between the songs, so when you hit “play” on the DVD, you’re not watching an hour-long concert video, you’re watching an ~85-minute film about the Defibrulatour that includes the concert video. Of course the “behind the scenes” stuff for the most part isn’t really that revelatory, since Ministry has had such an open Youtube/Facebook presence for the past couple years, and of course the tell-all book covering this era, but most of it is watchable. I thought it was interesting that there’s rehearsal footage for “Double Tap,” since to my knowledge they never performed that one for an audience. Al is always absent from the rehearsals, maybe because he wasn’t feeling well, or maybe that’s just standard for him. There are no “crazy antics” recorded for this tour, like Al fucking a chicken or whatever.
I guess to sum up, like a lot of what Ministry has released lately, this is somewhat unnecessary, but competent.
Did you buy Enjoy The Quiet last year? Is there really any difference?
Well, technically they are different releases. Enjoy The Quiet is just straightforward concert footage of two complete shows (Wacken 2012 and 2006), Last Tango In Paris is concert footage from apparently two or more shows (Chicago and New York 2012) stitched together as one show with various behind-the-scenes interludes. The setlists are similar, but not identical.
Obviously the average Ministry listener doesn’t need both, but I’m the kind of person who posts on this forum and tries to collect all the live Ministry bootleg CDs, so why not. I just wish Last Tangle in Paris had better documentation of which city/date each track was taken from.
I guess it’s possible that the video is entirely Chicago, yet some of the audio is from New York (and other cities?). I think it kind of defeats the purpose of live releases when bands do stuff like that, I’d rather have real than perfect.
Thanks for the review, Dusty!
Very helpful.
Just put on the main feature of Enjoy the Quiet to compare them while Last Tangle in Paris was still fresh in my mind, and they really are different films, despite both being 2012 Ministry concerts. Enjoy the Quiet is chock full of way too many pointless zoom-out shots that basically exist to say “look how big this outdoor stage is! look how big this crowd is! look at all these colourful lights and stage fog!!!”, but really don’t give us a good look at Ministry or anything else that is interesting beyond an initial establishing shot. Also unlike Last Tangle In Paris, it mixes the backing video screens into the DVD, which are generally just the lame music videos we’ve already seen and further take screen time away from the actual performance. The shots of the musicians really are fleeting compared to Last Tangle in Paris, with more rapid cutting, and are very often obstructed by equipment and/or lighting, or shot from weird angles. The band looks sweatier from the giant lights. Al was a bit sicker, I think, and he doesn’t move as much from standing immediately behind his human skull microphone stand, which often blocks shots of his face (another difference is that he drinks wine on stage in Last Tangle, but I haven’t caught him doing it in Wacken). Al does not have a guitar in the Wacken encore, but that does free him up to make some more gestures at the crowd (didn’t notice it before, but he seems more into the old stuff than the new stuff on this DVD :)). Last Tangle in Paris is my pick for the winner visually, since it’s better at conveying the personalities of the band, but at least Enjoy the Quiet sounded good and loud.
I appreciate the follow up. Still not sure I’ll pick this up though. At the end of the day, it’s the same damn set list. And it just feels like double-dipping to me.
But when they release a shirt with that cover art, I will shove Gunnar out of the way to be first in line!
I’d pick up any of these (aside from Adios), actually, if I ever saw them in an actual store. I can’t be bothered to buy this crap online, though.
And yeah, that would be a pretty sweet shirt! I’ll hand it next to my Blues Clues jacket and my Elmo Learns To Shit doll.
And yeah, that would be a pretty sweet shirt! I’ll hand it next to my Blues Clues jacket and my Elmo Learns To Shit doll.
Is that a cutoff jean jacket with a Blue’s Clues back patch on it? Because that would be sheer badass-ery.
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And yeah, that would be a pretty sweet shirt! I’ll hand it next to my Blues Clues jacket and my Elmo Learns To Shit doll.
Is that a cutoff jean jacket with a Blue’s Clues back patch on it? Because that would be sheer badass-ery.[/reply]
I actually had TONY ALAMO* make it for me.
*Yes, you now need to google image search “Tony Alamo Jacket”.
Don’t delay.
DUDE I am pretty sure my ex’s crazy brain damaged mom was sending that Tony Alamo guy money. We found a bunch of pamphlets from his “church” in her car. What a slime ball.
Just picked up the 2xCD/DVD of this for $14.99. Good value for the money, the performances are enthusiastic, and the sound quality is decent. Haven’t watched the DVD yet.
DAVELY! I didn’t see you’d responded to my Alamo shoutout. I only knew of him because I got some of his pamphlets in a parking lot once. Something just wasn’t sitting right and I did some research. It was nutty stuff. He was funnelling money into some hilarious business making these attrocious air-brushed 80’s style jean jackets.
Do a Google image search for Tony Alamo Jacket and behold the majesty. They sometimes also find their way onto Ebay at prices that reflect the seller has a much higher opinion of the jacket than the market will bear.
A record store in Toronto was having a 40% off sale, and now I own this on vinyl.