[reply][reply]Gene completely ignored me when I spoke to him. I often wonder, what kind of guy ignores a ten year old boy when he says “You are my hero and it really is an honor to meet you”?
I guess a complete asshole does.
He would have talked to you if you’d slipped him a twenty.[/reply]
Or if you had giant fake tits.
By the way,in recent years The Elder has kind of attained this weird cult status amongst Kiss fans…those who originally hated now show this great appreciation for it…Kind of like Filth Pig for Ministry fans heh…
By the way,in recent years The Elder has kind of attained this weird cult status amongst Kiss fans…those who originally hated now show this great appreciation for it…Kind of like Filth Pig for Ministry fans heh…
Yeah, I’ve noticed this too.
I’ve honestly never listened to it, but mean to check it out just because of all the dryhumping of it that I’ve seen on the web lately.
I met Kiss back in 1979. My dad was invited to the Dynasty release party for Casablanca and he took me along. I can assure Ace and Peter were anything but “the funnest guys” at the time. Ace was a rude, coked up prick and Peter was mopey and stank of cigarettes. The only nice one was Paul. Gene completely ignored me when I spoke to him. I often wonder, what kind of guy ignores a ten year old boy when he says “You are my hero and it really is an honor to meet you”?
I guess a complete asshole does.
I don’t see what “reeking of cigarettes” has to do with anything…
Either way I don’t think one 10 year old boy’s impression of KISS on one particular night in the 1980s paints a complete picture of them.
This interview was hilarious. They may have been pricks to normal people by that point, but they deserved to be. Ace is hysterical.
[reply]By the way,in recent years The Elder has kind of attained this weird cult status amongst Kiss fans…those who originally hated now show this great appreciation for it…Kind of like Filth Pig for Ministry fans heh…
Yeah, I’ve noticed this too.
I’ve honestly never listened to it, but mean to check it out just because of all the dryhumping of it that I’ve seen on the web lately.[/reply]
It’s been described as Kiss does Prog…but I don’t really hear that in it…it’s a strange bloated screwy concept album…the producer Bob Ezrin(Alic Cooper,Pink Floyd-The Wall etc)was out of his mind on cocaine and you can clearly hear it’s influence…it’s this weird half baked concept album…Lou Reed co-wrote some of the songs lol…seriously…
I’m not the hugest Kiss fan but I did listen to all their shit growing up…The Elder ranges from some of the best songs they ever put out to just downright cringe inducing embarrassment…Ace only has one song and it’s a good one…
^I just listened to the first 1/3 - 1/2 of it.
There’s some really cool funky 70’s glam-rock big sounds type stuff that I really like (i.e. Alice, The Sweet, etc.), but just when I think I’m starting to like the album, it bitchslaps me with some serious faggitry.
Not something I’d want to just put on and listen to all the way through, but I see there are some solid tracks in there. The guitar riffage on some of them is really great! This was Bruce Kulick taking Ace’s spot during that era, if I recall right . . . .
I think the following album Creatures of the Night was the first one with Kulick(even though Ace is on the cover)…The Elder was the last for Ace and the first for Eric Carr…although you could be right in that maybe Ace only played on his one song and Kulick did the rest…my memory fails me at the moment…I do know this was the last straw for Frehley,as he was staunchly opposed to a silly concept record…and when it bombed he said “fuck these meglomaniacal dick-heads” or something to that effect[:)]
Oh wait,I think Vinnie Vincent was actually the uncredtied guitarist on Creatures…
I think it’s interesting to see albums like this get some love 30 years later. Perhaps part of it is that prior to the advent of CD’s, MP3’s, etc. you had either vinyl records, or cassette tapes (eventually). With either of these formats, you were really at the mercy of an entire album. It just wasn’t super convenient to get up and pick up the needle on the phonograph and try to find the spot where the next track you liked started. Tapes, too — FFW, stop, play, nope! Keep going FFW, stop, play, nope! Keep going! FFW, stop, play, DAMMIT!!! I went too far!! (and with some of those stupid auto-reverse players it got really confusing too, as you never knew which way you were even going).
However, that all-or-nothing dynamic of the LP back in the day, really forced bands to put up a strong album from start to finish, and something that sort of made sense in context of the whole. Most of the albums from bands you dug that were from the 60’s or 70’s you can listen to from beginning to end. 8 or 9 solid monster tracks.
Now I’ll get a CD (or download) with like 18 tracks, and I’ll be happy if I like 3 or 4 songs. Pull those off and put 'em on an iPod and you can forget the rest of the crap even existed.
If Elder was put out in the last 10 years, how would it have been received? I’m thinking people might have been happy with the few gems on it and be totally apathetic to the rest because they would NEVER listen to it. It probably wouldn’t achieve such an epic turd status.
I miss the old days. I miss knowing what an actual ALBUM was, even. I can listen to all the Ozzy-era Sabbath albums start to finish. I know exactly what song is coming up next and how one flows into the other. And they are all amazing.
Ask me about “Last Sucker” . . . I honestly don’t know anything about 90% of the songs on there. If I play the CD I’ll play “Let’s Go” and maybe “Life is Good”, and then I’ll eject it to play 2 songs from some other album.
I suspect it will be something similar for the new Sabbath disc. Probably 2 or 3 songs I dig, and the rest I’ll never hear a second time.
Ace’s solo 1979 lp was cool to jam with.
better then the rest of the 3 solo’s lps.
Ace was the only one w/talent i think.
I don’t see what “reeking of cigarettes” has to do with anything…
Really? You’re an “artist” and you don’t understand that certain details make a story a lot more interesting? He smelled bad! That’s funny. We like reading stuff like that. No, it doesn’t have anything to do with anyone’s music or career, but neither does “violating underage groupies” or “getting a blowjob from a black dude” or banging a 600lb heifer . . . . .
Either way I don’t think one 10 year old boy’s impression of KISS on one particular night in the 1980s paints a complete picture of them.
NO ONE thinks this. It was one dude’s account of how, as a young child, he felt dissed by a douchey rockstar. It’s an anecdote, not a comprehensive documentary.
This interview was hilarious. They may have been pricks to normal people by that point, but they deserved to be. Ace is hysterical.
This I agree with to an extent. I have no problem, really, with giant bloated rockstars acting like complete a-holes. It’s one of the perks of the job, and I think it’s awesome.
Oh wait,I think Vinnie Vincent was actually the uncredtied guitarist on Creatures…
This was indeed Vinnie Vincent’s first stuff with Kiss. You guys got Kulick on there cuz he appeared on an alternate cover of a reissue. Vincent got credited as the guitarist on the 1997 reissue.
[reply]Oh wait,I think Vinnie Vincent was actually the uncredtied guitarist on Creatures…
This was indeed Vinnie Vincent’s first stuff with Kiss. You guys got Kulick on there cuz he appeared on an alternate cover of a reissue. Vincent got credited as the guitarist on the 1997 reissue.[/reply]
Oh that right…I think Kulick was on the Jap version of the album or something,right? They called it something else like “Killers” or something…of course we all know there is only ONE “Killers” album and it ain’t by Kiss…