D-DAY NORMANDIE - 70 YEARS AGO

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If you are ever in London, take a few minutes to walk around the outside of the V&A museum and see where bombs struck the buildings.

Kuwait has areas with crappy apartment buildings and such which were just destroyed 20-some years back from shelling and such.

This puny little country was getting pushed around and steamrolled by the big bad Iraqis and were it not for the assistance they got from US and others there probably would not be a Kuwait today. They rebuilt, of course, and are a nation owned by rich, lazy, and corrupt Kuwaitis. The country now floats on the back of imported labor of all sorts. The Filipinos have all the service jobs and are household servants even (this is modern-day slavery for many, though it is called otherwise to reduce bad PR). Indians and Sri Lankans do all the crappy manual labor. And Indian and Western firms handle engineering, architecture, technical services, etc. . .

The Kuwaitis are paid HANDSOMELY for just being born in the right place at the right time. While many are of some “royal” connection and don’t really have to do anything, a large portion of them get cushy (this is a whole new level of cush) government/ municipal jobs at various Ministries where they come and go as they please and put in MAYBE 2 or 3 hours of work in a week.

Sorry, I got off on a bit of a tangent there. I guess some other comments got me thinking about how different countries/ groups react differently. Ideally, you’d hope that people who had been saved from extinction by the sacrifices of others would try to have more of a “pay-it-forward” attitude or garner a “we’re all in this together” outlook but some just pick themselves up, return to their sense of entitlement and look for the next chumps to grind under their heels.

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99% of the time how rich your parents are when you’re born is how rich you are when you die

You don’t have to be a commie to admit that, it’s a fact

Every now and then somebody proposes something to get rid of these problems - fuck over the rich land owners, blame the immigrants, get rid of the monarchy, get rid of the current government, have an islamic revolution

but the reality is in the kind of global order we have, these hierarchies will naturally develop

the USSR ended up fucking people off in the same way the tsars did, and now putin is as well

In the west we are loathe to point the finger at the system, because our opposition to the leftist excesses of the USSR led us to pursue free market excesses that shit on people just as bad as heavy centralism and taxation. We equate extremes of freedom for business with justice and personal freedom. Which to a degree it is, but too far is too far

If you become convinced the far left or far right are the answer, you’ll get fucked in the same way - either the government will take half your wages in taxes, or on the flip side you’ll get taxed less but paid half as much because the government is in bed with big business

I don’t know what the answer is, but there’s your problem

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[reply]Thank you American for liberating Europe.

But still, what the fuck? You didn’t even bother with the war until December 1941 - two and a half years after Hitler invaded Poland.

Where the fuck were you then?

Oh right! There’s no OIL in Poland!![/quote]
The U.S. was still recovering from the great depression and our leaders had a policy of non involvement because so. Oil wasn’t fought over back then as it is now. At the time most of our oil was domestic, so oil wasn’t even an issue

[reply]Am I right?

no.

Oh and thank you Obama for chewing gum throughout the D Day ceremony. Touch of class I thought! Remember, he’s a “progressive”. wink wink.

<mutters> Muslim loving socialist bastard traitor</mutters>

[rolleyes][/reply]

On 7 Dec. 1941, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii was bombed, killing over 2000 Americans. The US also held the Philippines, which was also bombed. These two events left the US in shock and prompted the US to enter the war the following day on 8 Dec. 1941.

My guess as to the Prez’s gum chewing: he was chewing Nicorette, wishing he instead had a cigarette.

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[reply]If you are ever in London, take a few minutes to walk around the outside of the V&A museum and see where bombs struck the buildings.

Kuwait has areas with crappy apartment buildings and such which were just destroyed 20-some years back from shelling and such.

This puny little country was getting pushed around and steamrolled by the big bad Iraqis and were it not for the assistance they got from US and others there probably would not be a Kuwait today. They rebuilt, of course, and are a nation owned by rich, lazy, and corrupt Kuwaitis. The country now floats on the back of imported labor of all sorts. The Filipinos have all the service jobs and are household servants even (this is modern-day slavery for many, though it is called otherwise to reduce bad PR). Indians and Sri Lankans do all the crappy manual labor. And Indian and Western firms handle engineering, architecture, technical services, etc. . .

The Kuwaitis are paid HANDSOMELY for just being born in the right place at the right time. While many are of some “royal” connection and don’t really have to do anything, a large portion of them get cushy (this is a whole new level of cush) government/ municipal jobs at various Ministries where they come and go as they please and put in MAYBE 2 or 3 hours of work in a week.

Sorry, I got off on a bit of a tangent there. I guess some other comments got me thinking about how different countries/ groups react differently. Ideally, you’d hope that people who had been saved from extinction by the sacrifices of others would try to have more of a “pay-it-forward” attitude or garner a “we’re all in this together” outlook but some just pick themselves up, return to their sense of entitlement and look for the next chumps to grind under their heels.[/reply]

The countries in that region get their arses kissed by our governments because they have oil, it seems. We will tolerate their disgusting treatment of foreigners, who are basically slaves to be abused, treated like dirt and even murdered when they feel like it, just because they have oil. Their societies are corrupt, the little people have to obey their religious laws, but the upper echelons drink, snort and whore their lives away without fear of reprisal by the religious authorities. Check out the numbers of foreign workers killed in Qatar while preparing for the World Cup, it’s crazy. These guys work all day in the blazing sun, are housed in inhumane conditions and frequently their (very low) pay is withheld. Their passports are taken from them so they can’t go home, same as the foreign maids in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the other hellholes of the region. These countries treat women and foreigners horribly, they’re nothing but a bunch of hand-chopping hypocrites and they hate the West, while at the same time inviting our governments into their countries so they can have our money. They probably hate themselves because the US and UK governments had to save them from Iraq. They do business with us through gritted teeth. The number of 9/11 hijackers from Saudi Arabia should have been an eye-opener as to how much they hate us. Bin Laden was a Saudi.

On top of that, their young, spoiled men are frequently seen driving around London in Bugattis, Lamborghinis, Ferraris and the like, making fools of themselves and treating people like dirt. In every society there are people born into luxury who think it’s a license to be obnoxious and treat the little people like shit, but it’s unusual for pretty much a whole society to be entitled wankers who look down on the non-rich.

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The West is what props up the monarchy in the kingdom of saudi arabi

The saudi monarchy has adopted wahhabism - fruitcake fundamentalism - as their state ideology

they put BILLIONS into madrassas (religious schools) thoughout central asia and even the west

I am not talking out of my arse and I am not a muslim-hater - these places are indoctrination centres where people are taught to hate jews, westerners, feminists, homosexuals etc

You can draw a straight line between many madrassas and terrorist attacks/movements.

And yet we go after Saddam, who while an utter shit, espoused Ba’Athism - a secular pan arab political model loosely based on national socialism.

Meanwhile we stay quiet on the Saudi issue, because they are our good friends.

I was going to say it makes no sense, but it does, doesn’t it?

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The West is what props up the monarchy in the kingdom of saudi arabi

The saudi monarchy has adopted wahhabism - fruitcake fundamentalism - as their state ideology

they put BILLIONS into madrassas (religious schools) thoughout central asia and even the west

I am not talking out of my arse and I am not a muslim-hater - these places are indoctrination centres where people are taught to hate jews, westerners, feminists, homosexuals etc

You can draw a straight line between many madrassas and terrorist attacks/movements.

And yet we go after Saddam, who while an utter shit, espoused Ba’Athism - a secular pan arab political model loosely based on national socialism.

Meanwhile we stay quiet on the Saudi issue, because they are our good friends.

I was going to say it makes no sense, but it does, doesn’t it?

Spot on, it’s madness. It’s like being mates with someone who you know is a psychopath, you know that they actually hate you and plot behind your back all the time but they’re nice to your face. They also have nice weed that you like smoking as well, which is the main factor in your “friendship”. You stay on friendly terms with them because you’re scared of what might happen if you become outright enemies. Plus, you really like that weed and won’t be able to get any unless you tolerate their company and their loony behaviour.

Yeah, the madrassas, how many of our citizens in the UK go abroad to these things and get radicalised each year? I don’t understand it. Why live somewhere that you hate so much and preach against it, if there are countries where your beloved religion is in the majority and you have total freedom of worship? The UK’s a mess, the law is so ineffectual that we can’t get rid of guys who are obviously terrorists, we pay them to actually stay in our country with all of our benefits, we house them, and then we export our own young men to be brainwashed into wanting to destroy our way of life.

I’m sick of religion. They all purport to be peaceful, but they all hate each other and think theirs is the best god. I’m from Northern Ireland, so i’ve had this nonsense all my life, the old Catholic God vs Protestant God. We have now graduated to physically assaulting immigrants, an alleged “holy” man, a pastor, is stoking hatred of Muslims and the head of our government has thrown his weight behind this guy, saying he wouldn’t trust a Muslim.

All this is an affront to the soldiers who died in WWII. They didn’t go into France thinking “I’m doing this for everyone… except the Jews/Muslims/Catholics”. People can be so selfish and hateful, especially, in my experience, God-lovers who think they’re above everyone else when they should be caring for others if they lived by the so-called Good Book.