"Concrete" is back in print

No way he was Paul. He seemed way too incoherent at times and bizarre to fit the overwhelming impression of Paul that we get from all credible sources.

And if it was Paul having a ruse it wasn’t a very funny one most of the time so I doubt it was him fucking with us. I think an engineer or someone in the ranks but on the sidelines is most likely.

Special Ed is definitely Phildo, I know them both. After Special Ed. outed me as Angie I only thought it fair to out him as Phildo.

He called everybody who had anything positive to say about the last 10 years of Ministry “Angie”.

If it was Paul, I’ve lost a lot of respect for Paul.

[reply]Special Ed is definitely Phildo, I know them both. After Special Ed. outed me as Angie I only thought it fair to out him as Phildo.

He called everybody who had anything positive to say about the last 10 years of Ministry “Angie”.[/reply]

Yep, that was my joke - sorry it didn’t translate.

i wish Chris talked more about Jim and the rest of Foetus.

I wonder if Raymond Watts was touring with KMFDM when they opened for Ministry…I wonder if Chris ever met Raymond!

i wish Chris talked more about Jim and the rest of Foetus.

I wonder if Raymond Watts was touring with KMFDM when they opened for Ministry…I wonder if Chris ever met Raymond!

iirc Raymond was with KMFDM on that tour, playing drums I think. En Esch also had a full head of hair then too [shocked]

[reply]i wish Chris talked more about Jim and the rest of Foetus.

I wonder if Raymond Watts was touring with KMFDM when they opened for Ministry…I wonder if Chris ever met Raymond!

iirc Raymond was with KMFDM on that tour, playing drums I think. En Esch also had a full head of hair then too [shocked][/reply]

and no mention of the Lard Of Lard? :(. Raymond always gets shafted! lol.

[reply][reply]i wish Chris talked more about Jim and the rest of Foetus.

I wonder if Raymond Watts was touring with KMFDM when they opened for Ministry…I wonder if Chris ever met Raymond!

iirc Raymond was with KMFDM on that tour, playing drums I think. En Esch also had a full head of hair then too [shocked][/reply]

and no mention of the Lard Of Lard? :(. Raymond always gets shafted! lol.[/reply]

I just looked and it was Rudolph Naomi on drums on that tour. So I am not sure if Raymond was there or not now. I only remember 3 people (Sascha, Esch, and Naomi) being on stage at the show I saw but it was over 20 years ago. There could have been another person on stage playing 2nd guitar or bass.

I do not think many people knew who they were at the time as I remember the crowd was not very receptive, and cheered when Sascha announced their last song [:/]

Well, they hadn’t had any hits yet.
Godlike and Virus hadn’t quite broken, if I’ve got my timeline right.

Reading this book again now, it’s odd how his account of the Mind tour is really extensive and then he kind of gets more and more brief in the tour accounts and barely even talks about the Psalm 69 tour at all!

It just amazes me how many drugs these guys were doing back then and they were still functional enough to tour etc. It makes me really angry because even the lamest drugs tend to derail artistic situations nowadays and I think it has to do with the potency of now vs back then in the 80s and also the mindset people have now which is very reality-based.

When I first read the book I thought Chris came off as a dick bashing everyone but it’s actually quite self-deprecating and he seems to bash himself most. I appreciate people who do not take themselves 100% seriously.

As far as his career ending up the way it has (which he seems pretty bitter about in the book), I mean that’s kind of what you get when you goof off all the time fucked up on drugs in interviews and don’t give serious answers or care about people’s reaction to what you’re doing.

I understand marketing is stupid and cheesy but he seemed to the point of wanting to be 100% uncompromising as an artist and to be above the whole marketing/business side of things which is just not going to result in commercial success.

That sounds right rev… I think UAIOE had just come out so songs like Godlike were just being played live at that point. I believe that I already had Don’t Blow Your Top, but I may have bought it after the show.

I remember Sascha had some sort of weird metallic percussion setup in front of his mike stand that he would bang on. En Esch had on a trench coat, a pink tutu and fishnets so even back then he was quite a character.