we weren’t a guvmnt to the brittish and just a bunch of terrorists at first too. But give al quida a few years and seats in office and thigns may change. The people certainly must be on the side of them in a few places or they wouldn’t have the luxury of these training facilities and places to run and hide. somebody is on their side.
I agree a bunch of fools that decide to jack a plane and are a group of only several people don’t need to be addressed directly like a terrorist group that may well have the numbers of a small army
Surrender and “negotiations” are not the same thing and I don’t think Toot is suggesting surrender.
They want to hide and bomb when they have the opportunity.
that’s geurilla warfare and helped us win our independence!
Can’t get to angry at this tactic. But other than that I still support your side! Yes, let them get some seats and a country and be somewhat civilized and only the extreme would bitch?
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[reply]we weren’t a guvmnt to the brittish and just a bunch of terrorists at first too. But give al quida a few years and seats in office and thigns may change. The people certainly must be on the side of them in a few places or they wouldn’t have the luxury of these training facilities and places to run and hide. somebody is on their side.
If they want to take seats in office and do things in a civilized manner then I don’t think anyone will have too much of a problem with them. At least not to the point of dropping bombs. But, that isn’t what they want. They want to hide and bomb when they have the opportunity. That’s what makes them terrorists. Do you really think you can reason with people who kill women and children with no second thought? I’m sure that a sit down situation would be about as productive as a parent sitting down with a 1 yr old and coming to an agreement over cleaning up after themselves.[/reply]
Do you really think you can reason with people who kill women and children with no second thought?
Well we kill a hell of alot more woman and children than Al Qaeda so maybe they think they can’t reason with us? And anyway Bush made it quite clear to them he wouldn’t communicate…so…
[reply] Do you really think you can reason with people who kill women and children with no second thought?
Well we kill a hell of alot more woman and children than Al Qaeda so maybe they think they can’t reason with us? And anyway Bush made it quite clear to them he wouldn’t communicate…so…[/reply]
He’s got us there! just cause we put on suits and ties and live in condos doesn’t mean we’re not guilty of collateral damage… Hell look at the black water scandal (I know they are not government but they were hired by our government which basically represents our government)
As Far as Bush not communicating, that was just because he can’t communicate but saying shit like that made him sound tuff!
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Why don’t you let me kill your family and then I’ll invite you over to dinner so we can talk about it and maybe you’ll understand my point of view.
That’s a fantasy statement. I’m talking about something that’s real life.
This is an international situation…not a personal/individual situation.
The reason I don’t, and will never agree with your point of view is that all it leads to is us killing thousands and thousands of more innocent folk who had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
On top of that the hatred of us will rise and rise and of course we will recieve more attacks against our people.
Above all else a government should NEVER capitualte to terrorists. That is signing their own death cert. Some terrorist organisations have bled into political parties (IRA into Sinn Fein, UVF into DUP, PUP) but they must drop their armed belligerence before they do so. If Al Qaeda look like they want to take steps to communicate with other powers and not just attack their people it’s also a sign that they’re desperate, ie. they’ll never win by the tactics they’ve used thus far. Al Qaeda is also more complex as it’s more ideological than geographically defined as say the Irish problem was. Either way Al Qaeda will get nowhere with Bin Laden as their leader. As soon as they get him, if they do, he’s a goner.
Bombing non-military, non-threatening people just to be assholes is another, and that is precisely what Al Qaeda has been and is doing. Until they stop the madness, the madnes can’t be stopped.
well isn’t that’s basically saying the terrorists HAVE won in the sense that it’s never going to be over until they decide it’s over.
BTW it’s so nice to see that we can have a much more civil discission on this type of topic than say, the linany skinny puppy forum talking on obama… ugh… some people just are posting with the equivalent of having thier fingers in their ears going “LALALALALALALALA”
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Why don’t you let me kill your family and then I’ll invite you over to dinner so we can talk about it and maybe you’ll understand my point of view.
That’s a fantasy statement. I’m talking about something that’s real life.[/reply][/reply]
C’mon Toot I’m sure you’re familiar with Metaphor! What carmengary is suggesting is Figurative language for what has already happened and is now being presented as an option!
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[reply][reply] Bombing non-military, non-threatening people just to be assholes is another, and that is precisely what Al Qaeda has been and is doing. Until they stop the madness, the madnes can’t be stopped.
well isn’t that’s basically saying the terrorists HAVE won in the sense that it’s never going to be over until they decide it’s over.[/reply]
They haven’t won because bombing isn’t what they want. They just do that as a sign of protest, or whatever. The US only crumbled temporarily after 9/11.[/reply]
Except for those times we invaded two countries for emotional reasons.
To be fair I’m surprised more people didn’t lose their minds over that in NY. I mean those buildings were so fucking gigantic and seeing them come down like that not to mention seeing all those poor folk jumping out of them before hand must’ve really fucked some minds up.
[reply] The US only crumbled temporarily after 9/11.
To be fair I’m surprised more people didn’t lose their minds over that in NY. I mean those buildings were so fucking gigantic and seeing them come down like that not to mention seeing all those poor folk jumping out of them before hand must’ve really fucked some minds up.[/reply]
oh we’re fucked in the head alright… A hell of alot of people are. Lots in therapy, shellshocked and some just repressed the whole thing.
good movie to rent is this movie called “Reign over me” starring adam sandler about a guy who lost it all after 911
[reply] The US only crumbled temporarily after 9/11.
To be fair I’m surprised more people didn’t lose their minds over that in NY. I mean those buildings were so fucking gigantic and seeing them come down like that not to mention seeing all those poor folk jumping out of them before hand must’ve really fucked some minds up.[/reply]
Like the previous generation with the Kennedy assassination I think most people will remember exactly where they were at when they found out about the World Trade Center attacks. I was on top of a very tall ladder putting away boxes of glasses. I can remember one ass hat who wondered why we were closing early that day. She said in a huff,
" why because of that stuff in New York? " What a douche.
when plane#1 hit, i was stopping my car to go for a walk . radio news was something just happened in manhattan. i started walking around my usual path, and all of a sudden every BODY on the trail had cellphone glued to the ear.
tried calling my brother in brooklyn and half a dozen others, and got jammed out of the system.crazily, could not reach anyone for days unless they sent messages via email.
I would only be willing to negotiate with them after they surrender and agree to stop the bombing that they are doing. Bin Laden needs to come forward and be held accountable for certain events. As long as they are living behind the assertion that what he has done is for a just cause then there is no reasoning with them. Tactical bombing in defense or to target an enemy is one thing. Bombing non-military, non-threatening people just to be assholes is another, and that is precisely what Al Qaeda has been and is doing. Until they stop the madness, the madnes can’t be stopped. I am not pro-war and I don’t agree with what happened in Iraq. But, I know the difference between Al Qaeda and civility.
Word. Gonna have to side with you and slack on this. Fuck Bin Laden.
Also, your avatar here strikes me as strangely appropriate.