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If I ever did anything remotely industrial, i’d assume it be gristlle-ish. I’d probably just want to make a bunch of programmed, synthy noise. Hell, i’ve heard you can almost do it all if not completely with a synth, a sampler, and a sequencer (to avoid using computers at all). I’d like to play around and if a computer were necessary at all, i’d only use it for recording/mixing, the production-type stuff, and nothing but. I wouldn’t mind learning how to go about all of that either, really.
I’m really just a hobbyist, but I did everything here http://www.myspace.com/thecryptids using an old ASR-10 sampling keyboard, Adobe Audition (Cooledit Pro for the older tracks), and a cracked copy of Reason (for the newer tracks).
If you like what you hear, your setup can be as simple as that. If you don’t like what you hear, you may want to invest in something more complex.
i make a lot. but i write a very heavy form of industrial. like ministry, or tin omen style skinny puppy.
i use a ZOOM 16 track recording deck, a computer interface, a WONDERFUL Roland Sampler, a Roland Effect box, a few drum machines, some midi keyboards, a Goth THunderbird Bass, and Schecter Diamond Series BlackJack (A La Joey Z from Life of Agony).
to just mix it all i actually use Acid. its easy to use and great if you are just using it to sync shit up. also has a good midi interface.
when im doing folk/blues stuff i just play an acoustic through the mic and use the same basic set up.
If you want, go to my site and check out the Puppy/NE/Ministry songs under “Cover Songs (2007)”
Dude, those are amazing, vocal-free reproductions of the originals. You could sell them as karaoke versions (which is not intended to be an insult - it’s a testament to their sonic accuracy).
Hy band-boss (hehe) makes all the music and he uses midi-keyboard with software-synths… works like a charm if you know how to.
I’ve been lucky to work with some really really really good music makers. … well 2 at least. And both have used Cubase on PC for recording.
Cubase is pretty easy to learn the basics in.
I’m only doing vocals, and do them in a way I would say is somewhat “industrial”.
I use distortion + chorus often on my vocals (pedals).
Lately I have been messing around vith cubase’s software vocoder, that I think I got so simulate a vocoder without signal input, that gives me a vocal-effect somewhat like Skinny Puppy - Tin Omen or Skrew - mouthful of dust.
I did the vocals for Audio Victim. www.audiovictim.com but didn’t have anything to do with the music. Joey who did the music used a Mac to do the recording and I’m pretty sure he was using Final Cut Pro as his recording program.
I’ve done lots of other music, probably not too much that qualifies as industrial in the way you’re talking. I did play keyboards for Avenpitch (www.avenpitch.com) for a few years. They do all their recording in Cakewalk and used mostly cheap synths and drum machines and lots of wave samples.
Back in the day, for Fadladder, I did a little music that would probably qualify as industrial. Mostly made on the Roland 505 and Ensoniq ASR10 sampler. I love the ASR 10. Recorded in studios or on Fostex 4 and 8 tracks.
I’m really just a hobbyist, but I did everything here http://www.myspace.com/thecryptids using an old ASR-10 sampling keyboard, Adobe Audition (Cooledit Pro for the older tracks), and a cracked copy of Reason (for the newer tracks).
If you like what you hear, your setup can be as simple as that. If you don’t like what you hear, you may want to invest in something more complex.
Shout out to the ASR10! If it’s good enough for the RZA it’s good enough for me!!
Dude, those are amazing, vocal-free reproductions of the originals. You could sell them as karaoke versions (which is not intended to be an insult - it’s a testament to their sonic accuracy).
Wow, thanks man, I appreciate it. I do want to convert them to MIDI/karaoke files, and get them out on the web, so maybe some other bands can use them. I can’t find any Puppy MIDI files online (I guess not surprisingly), and only found two Ministry MIDIs (Revenge and Bad Blood). I’m going to program a couple more cover songs this year for future live gigs - “Don’t Argue” by Cabaret Voltaire (I have the propaganda film with ALL the samples, so it’ll sound sweet), and either “Addiction” by Skinny Puppy, or “We Believe” by Ministry, depending on my mood.
I’ll have to check your tunes out when I get home from work. I had an EPS16+ for many years (the older demos on my site were written on it)…good to see another Ensoniq user here. I remember the ASR-10 came out right after I’d just bought the EPS, I was a little upset about that at the time!
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The fact that you chose “I Prefer” as your other Ministry cover is brilliant! Your Click Click covers sound good so far too. I only wish you’d covered “Yakutska” - that was always my favorite song by them.
Any chance of a “Ni Upanya, Ni Strahu (No Hope No Fear)” (I probably fucked the spelling, I’m at work) cover? Your avatar shows you as a fan.
Lots of help here. Thanks for all the advice. Everyone’s music is pretty good. When/if I get around to recording anything I’ll post a link here.
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The fact that you chose “I Prefer” as your other Ministry cover is brilliant! Your Click Click covers sound good so far too. I only wish you’d covered “Yakutska” - that was always my favorite song by them.
Any chance of a “Ni Upanya, Ni Strahu (No Hope No Fear)” (I probably fucked the spelling, I’m at work) cover? Your avatar shows you as a fan.
Funny thing - Yakutska, along with Mercy, was originally on the set list, but I literally ran out of time to program those songs. I had learned the synth parts, and planned to work on them, but finished the last song less than two weeks from the New Year’s performance date. Pretty much had to rehearse the set from that point on. My vocals are a bit cringe-inducing on that recording, but I hadn’t played a gig in 10 years at that point! Doing much better in the vocal dept. these days (that’s what I keep telling myself).
We must think alike, I’ve wanted to cover No Hope, No Fear for the longest time. I guess I would have to sing it in their native tongue, for it to sound right (shouting the chorus in English sounds weird, I tried it!). I’m definitely a big Borghesia fan. No Hope, Message, Naked Uniformed Dead, Discipline…love those freaking songs. I think the No Hope, No Fear CD is still my favorite.
I programmed I Prefer, mainly because I knew it’d be an easy one to crank out (2 hours, I believe), but always dug that song, and wondered how it’d sound live. I played it at a friend’s party, and everyone seemed to like it. I like the punkish-EBM style of that song. Nitzer Ebb could’ve recorded it on That Total Age, and it wouldn’t have been out of place.
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Also, I believe the best piece of equipment for ANY musician, industrial or not, is a handheld tape/digital voice recorder. The noises this crazy world makes, man…
Yeah “No Hope” is my favorite too and it would def. need to be in native language - the language is part of what makes that first EP so fucking awesome (and it really holds up 20 some years later).
I’m curious, did you perform the tribute to CLick CLick for an audience who knew who CLick CLick were? I can’t imagine there are too many of those around. The vocals sounded good, appropriate for CC material.
Love the guitars on ‘Headfuck’… Makes ya feel nostalgic about the 80s.
Thinking about picking up a microkorg for 400. Seems pretty nice, except for how small the keys are. But with that, if I were to want to make a song like “we believe”, would else would I need? Remind you, I don’t really want to use computers. Or do I really have a choice?
Well I’m sure you know us but we have a band called The Nursing Home Band www.myspace.com/nursinghomeband
We have 6 members: 2 guitarists, keyboardist, drummer, bassist, and me on drum machine/programming/vocals
We record everything with a sick Pro Tools set up and master it in Pro Tools as well.
We’ve done about 30 shows this year alone in the Syracuse area (I’m a senior at SU), mostly at Metal clubs or part of Metal events or goth nights.
We are at the point where we have a solid fan base here and get paid pretty decently for our shows, but it took a lot of work.
To the one who formed a synth pop band and got boo’d off, you can’t just give up after one shot (although I must say, synth pop is fucking gay as hell…)
We have gotten a lot of shit from red necks, and been banned from performing at several clubs due to some of the shit we pulled, but that’s the fun of it.
If you let one experience intimidate you, or a bunch of people bring you down who just spend their time digesting other people’s shit and don’t have the courage to put something new into the world (like most on this board), then you’re a fucking pussy and don’t deserve to create.
People are hostile to extremely rude. Learn from it. Deal with it.
EDIT: Also I think all these one-man studio projects where it’s just some guy with a shitload of computer programs and equipment doing everything in his bedroom or office are boring. Just my opinion, and I’m sure there are those who disagree or who will say there are no good live acts in the younger scene (they are looking in the wrong places)
I want to see Industrial BANDS playing live. It’s much harder to keep a whole band together and actually get out there and play shows/get booked/promote yourself and sell your shit than to have some bedroom project that you ocassionally show your friends.
Thinking about picking up a microkorg for 400. Seems pretty nice, except for how small the keys are. But with that, if I were to want to make a song like “we believe”, would else would I need? Remind you, I don’t really want to use computers. Or do I really have a choice?
You won’t be able to do a whole lot of layering of sounds with the MicroKorg, only because it has a mere 4-voice polyphony. You’re almost gonna need to complement it with a drum machine/sequencer, which will tack on another $400 (for a decent one). In that case, I would almost recommend looking for a used KORG Karma, or an older workstation with onboard sequencer, sampler, plenty of sounds and fx, and that will have at least plenty of polyphony (at least 64) for producing a good song.
I always thought of the MicroKorg as more of a sound modeling/live performance synth, than a production tool. You could probably model some really good sounding bass voices on it, too. If you do go the MicroKorg route, maybe look for an inexpensive drum machine/sequencer that you can chain it to via MIDI. I’m pretty sure KMFDM has used a MicroKorg on stage, if that means anything to you.
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I’m curious, did you perform the tribute to CLick CLick for an audience who knew who CLick CLick were? I can’t imagine there are too many of those around. The vocals sounded good, appropriate for CC material.
Surprisingly, I have half a dozen friends who know and like Click Click’s music, but most of the crowd at New Years show probably never heard of them. I figured, if the performance went well, they’d like the music for what it was. I had to say “thank you” after every song, because no one clapped after the first song (I don’t think they knew it had ended!) Everyone was really nice afterwards, a couple of people really liked “Yes” and “What A World”. I even received compliments from Adrian Smith of Click Click on the show, which felt great. He wanted to hear studio versions of the recordings (the live recording is unfortunately in mono, so some of the sonic details are missing), but I’m pretty bad about sticking to a plan, so I haven’t gotten around to it yet.
Thanks for the compliment on the vox, but I was a little tight in the throat (nerves, probably), so there’s a few tunes that make me wince while listening. My girlfriend at the time must’ve thought I was crazy for putting together a Click Click cover show. I probably was.
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